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Post by laristotle on Jul 24, 2021 19:15:50 GMT
Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin as Treatment for COVID-19Online discussions of ivermectin have faced an unprecedented level of suppression with doctors claiming that their videos are being taken down or their LinkedIn accounts closed.
“I have experienced a lot of censorship ever since I started doing work on ivermectin (never before),” Lawrie told The Epoch Times via email. “I have had my post of my published peer-reviewed scientific manuscript removed from LinkedIn.”
She also said that many people have informed her that their accounts would be restricted or censored “if they post the work my company has produced on ivermectin or interviews that I have done.”
Dr. Mobeen Syed, chief executive officer of Drbeen Corp, an online medical education, said YouTube took down three of his videos on ivermectin within 24 hours.
“[Third] book burnt in 24 hours. @youtube @teamyoutube continue to burn books,” Syed said on Twitter on July 11. “This video was important to keep people safe who are using ivermectin regardless of what YouTube thinks.”
YouTube did not reply to The Epoch Times inquiry on clarification of which terms or conditions Syed’s videos had violated.
Ivermectin is not the only topic being suppressed or blocked by Big Tech firms. Social media posts about the lab leak theory that the CCP virus escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, and information that goes against the narrative about the safety and efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine has also been censored.
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki suggested at a White House briefing that people should be banned from all social media platforms if they post misinformation online about COVID-19 vaccines, alleging that this type of information was “leading to people not taking the vaccine.” Psaki’s suggestion has drawn widespread condemnation.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 24, 2021 20:53:49 GMT
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 24, 2021 21:09:47 GMT
I suspected this was coming sooner or later- this exactly what I was talking about in forcing people to get the shot. They will take your rights away until you comply. I understand their side of the argument for the common good, but things like this really scare me. I'm really hoping when we get to Germany they will issue us an Impfpass (their equivalent). Otherwise this is going to be a real pain.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 24, 2021 21:13:14 GMT
Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin as Treatment for COVID-19 White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki suggested at a White House briefing that people should be banned from all social media platforms if they post misinformation online about COVID-19 vaccines, alleging that this type of information was “leading to people not taking the vaccine.” Psaki’s suggestion has drawn widespread condemnation. My comment probably belongs in the politics section (maybe this whole thread does), but this restriction of social media for views that one doesn't agree with is completely wrong. I shudder to think what the world will look like in a few years when the Zuckerbergs of the world can censure anyone they want for any reason.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 24, 2021 21:58:39 GMT
Doctors Raise Awareness on Ivermectin as Treatment for COVID-19 White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki suggested at a White House briefing that people should be banned from all social media platforms if they post misinformation online about COVID-19 vaccines, alleging that this type of information was “leading to people not taking the vaccine.” Psaki’s suggestion has drawn widespread condemnation. My comment probably belongs in the politics section (maybe this whole thread does), but this restriction of social media for views that one doesn't agree with is completely wrong. I shudder to think what the world will look like in a few years when the Zuckerbergs of the world can censure anyone they want for any reason. The more reason to fight for freedom of speech and to not allow alternative views to be silenced?
As for political, everything is touched by politics one way or another. I have no reason to report this and if anyone else does, that'll be up to the mods on whether to move this to the appropriate forum or to delete it.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 24, 2021 22:43:06 GMT
I was only joking.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 24, 2021 23:02:03 GMT
Seriously? Not even a PM?
So who was the one guy that complained? Every member seemed to be contributing in a grown-up way.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 24, 2021 23:58:18 GMT
Seriously? Not even a PM? So who was the one guy that complained? Every member seemed to be contributing in a grown-up way. Total agreement here as well.
Maybe start with deleting objectionable posts and give warnings to calm down first?
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 25, 2021 0:54:10 GMT
Seriously? Not even a PM? So who was the one guy that complained? Every member seemed to be contributing in a grown-up way. Total agreement here as well.
Maybe start with deleting objectionable posts and give warnings to calm down first?
I'm not sure anyone complained- I think they just moved it here. And no, I wasn't lobbying for the move in my previous comment- it was just an offhand statement In the end it doesn't really matter what section of the forum this shows up in- nothing is being suppressed. I guess that means I have to be checking this side of the forum too now!
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Post by laristotle on Jul 25, 2021 1:54:10 GMT
In the end it doesn't really matter what section of the forum this shows up in- nothing is being suppressed. I guess that means I have to be checking this side of the forum too now! What about those that chose not to acquire access to this side? Their opinions/thoughts are cut off. As you implied a few posts ago, one may not agree, but they have a right to speak their mind. I think that it would be fair to ask that the mod that made this move explain the reasoning for it? I do respect the decisions made by admin here, I may not agree with them all the time, but it'd be nice to know why. Not only to have a refresher of specific rules, but to not feel like we're being told that it's 'because. I said so.'
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Post by Colchar on Jul 25, 2021 4:10:16 GMT
I just realized that this thread had been moved (I hadn't been paying any attention to it). Everyone who was participating is also included in the political section so nobody will be shut out of it.
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Post by johnreardon on Jul 25, 2021 8:24:53 GMT
I'm not sure this deserved to be moved here, especially as all of us now can see the political section.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 10:39:21 GMT
No complaints from me...I didn`t think anyone here was that uptight about a Covid conversation. Oh well...carry on anyways I say.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 25, 2021 12:37:00 GMT
Canada's COVID busybodies will never leave you alone -- so just ignore them Take the debate over domestic vaccine passports, where you need to show paperwork to get into stores and restaurants: We’re in better shape than we’ve been since this began and yet we’re having one of our most divisive and hostile debates to date. Canada has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but domestic passport advocates have suddenly adopted an urgent, manic energy.
For a lot of COVID busybodies, they are so far down a culture war rabbit hole that they now just get a kick out of the idea of punishing and excluding people who aren’t behaving exactly like them.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 25, 2021 13:43:14 GMT
Canada's COVID busybodies will never leave you alone -- so just ignore them Take the debate over domestic vaccine passports, where you need to show paperwork to get into stores and restaurants: We’re in better shape than we’ve been since this began and yet we’re having one of our most divisive and hostile debates to date. Canada has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but domestic passport advocates have suddenly adopted an urgent, manic energy.
For a lot of COVID busybodies, they are so far down a culture war rabbit hole that they now just get a kick out of the idea of punishing and excluding people who aren’t behaving exactly like them. You have to show proof of vaccination for your kids to go to school. You have to show proof of age to buy beer. You have to have a driver's license to drive, a boater's license to operate a boat, a fishing license to fish, a permit to build your deck, .......... The idea is not a new one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 13:59:25 GMT
Canada's COVID busybodies will never leave you alone -- so just ignore them Take the debate over domestic vaccine passports, where you need to show paperwork to get into stores and restaurants: We’re in better shape than we’ve been since this began and yet we’re having one of our most divisive and hostile debates to date. Canada has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but domestic passport advocates have suddenly adopted an urgent, manic energy.
For a lot of COVID busybodies, they are so far down a culture war rabbit hole that they now just get a kick out of the idea of punishing and excluding people who aren’t behaving exactly like them. You have to show proof of vaccination for your kids to go to school. You have to show proof of age to buy beer. You have to have a driver's license to drive, a boater's license to operate a boat, a fishing license to fish, a permit to build your deck, .......... The idea is not a new one. Making me stick a needle in my arm against my personal consent as an adult, if i want to engage society IS a new one. It`s all about the language you wrap the idea in isn`t it? Perspective I believe it`s called.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 25, 2021 15:10:50 GMT
In the end it doesn't really matter what section of the forum this shows up in- nothing is being suppressed. I guess that means I have to be checking this side of the forum too now! What about those that chose not to acquire access to this side? Their opinions/thoughts are cut off. As you implied a few posts ago, one may not agree, but they have a right to speak their mind. I think that it would be fair to ask that the mod that made this move explain the reasoning for it? I do respect the decisions made by admin here, I may not agree with them all the time, but it'd be nice to know why. Not only to have a refresher of specific rules, but to not feel like we're being told that it's 'because. I said so.' Fair enough, I did request access to this side but I don't generally check it very often and I am sure others don't come here. That said, the others who do not come here do have valuable opinions too. I'm not questioning your asking the mod for an explanation as to why it is moved, but I obviously have a less strong opinion on where the thread resides!
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 25, 2021 15:13:45 GMT
You have to show proof of vaccination for your kids to go to school. You have to show proof of age to buy beer. You have to have a driver's license to drive, a boater's license to operate a boat, a fishing license to fish, a permit to build your deck, .......... The idea is not a new one. Making me stick a needle in my arm against my personal consent as an adult, if i want to engage society IS a new one. It`s all about the language you wrap the idea in isn`t it? Perspective I believe it`s called. I hear you. As long as your decision only affects you I'm with you (let's not think about seatbelts and helmets for a minute). But if they decide it's about protecting society then that's a different thing - and the pendulum does seem to be swinging that way.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 25, 2021 15:22:36 GMT
You have to show proof of vaccination for your kids to go to school. You have to show proof of age to buy beer. You have to have a driver's license to drive, a boater's license to operate a boat, a fishing license to fish, a permit to build your deck, .......... The idea is not a new one. Making me stick a needle in my arm against my personal consent as an adult, if i want to engage society IS a new one. It`s all about the language you wrap the idea in isn`t it? Perspective I believe it`s called. Unfortunately, as I posted elsewhere, I see the trend expanding to remove rights from those who refuse to be vaccinated. This is exactly what I feared. It is an extremely polarizing topic, kind of like smoking. For many of those who don't smoke they could care less how much smoking is restricted or taxed. Don't read too much into that with comments about second hand smoke, etc- it is just an example. Same with the vaccines, many of those who were vaccinated think it is okay to restrict those who don't get vaccinated. I personally don't agree with restricting people's access based on vaccine status- I would rather see a carrot than stick approach if governments want people to get the shot.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 25, 2021 15:24:14 GMT
Making me stick a needle in my arm against my personal consent as an adult, if i want to engage society IS a new one. It`s all about the language you wrap the idea in isn`t it? Perspective I believe it`s called. I hear you. As long as your decision only affects you I'm with you (let's not think about seatbelts and helmets for a minute). But if they decide it's about protecting society then that's a different thing - and the pendulum does seem to be swinging that way. see my last post, your seatbelt example is better than smoking
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 16:31:28 GMT
Making me stick a needle in my arm against my personal consent as an adult, if i want to engage society IS a new one. It`s all about the language you wrap the idea in isn`t it? Perspective I believe it`s called. I hear you. As long as your decision only affects you I'm with you (let's not think about seatbelts and helmets for a minute). But if they decide it's about protecting society then that's a different thing - and the pendulum does seem to be swinging that way. I`m sorry Chris, but my perspective see`s your statement as such... I wish I could say that... "As long as your decision only affects you I`m with you." But if you look at this scenario, if I don`t have that right, either do you. I am being asked to give up domain over my own body/personal sovereignty, so I can go shopping in Wallmart, and some hysteric`s in your camp will most certainly discriminate in all manner socially...it`s already happening. It`s my choice but it`s your mandate. What I really stand for is a modicum of pushback to any health policy driven by corporate globalist`s with terrified bought out politicians in tow. I think vaccination was the only way out of the scenario they created. But I question the total validity of the scenario they created. So...I`m in a different place than the moral majority I believe. I have history with vaccines as one didn`t agree with me as a kid. As for Covid vaccinated people, please carry on, but I do expect the same degree of compassion, and consideration as any other human. If that becomes impossible for most, the social problems we face today might be pale in comparison to what erupts. I sure hope it doesn`t get out of hand. I`m tired of protests and violence. To be clear I have no problem with your point of view Chris, you make some really good points...I just don`t think this is a one opinion covers all kind of topic.
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Post by Colchar on Jul 25, 2021 16:34:16 GMT
I'm not sure this deserved to be moved here, especially as all of us now can see the political section. Huh?
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Post by johnreardon on Jul 25, 2021 18:32:11 GMT
I'm not sure this deserved to be moved here, especially as all of us now can see the political section. Huh? If you have participated in this thread, as I have done, by moving it, I can now see the political section. it doesn’t bother me, just pointing it out Attachments:
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Post by laristotle on Jul 25, 2021 18:48:07 GMT
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Post by Colchar on Jul 25, 2021 18:50:50 GMT
If you have participated in this thread, as I have done, by moving it, I can now see the political section. it doesn’t bother me, just pointing it out Not sure how to override that.
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Post by highdeaf on Jul 25, 2021 23:00:52 GMT
I think they are more concerned at the 'unclean', as they will become to be known as, are spreading it.
Seriously our Gov are in a quandary of whatever they do will be seen as wrong by some people. It's better to be strict and then they can absolve blame.
I also think businesses are worried about potential litigation down the road.
It is a lose lose no matter what they do. You force people to get vaccinated by law and long term effects from the vaccine are identified in 2 years imagine the firestorm. Do nothing and infection rates will continue to rise.
Unless you're a minority govt in canada. Our PM has opted out of the decision, leaving it up to the provinces. So he puts himself in a win-win scenario, especially since he controls the majority of the MSM and thus the majority of people's information/opinions. Whatever happens, he can claim he was on the side of 'the right and the good and the moral'. Without any systemic memory of what he said or what he's done (the 4th estate is needed for that), he will always be on the 'correct' side of the argument. He can claim moral superiority and the sheeple will applaud his sox and beard.
He claims all sorts of things, like transparency or feminism or non-racism. It has been proven he has none of these traits, but without a working media, he gets to successfully lie his way through it all.
I envy you your democracy. We used to have one. I miss it greatly.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 26, 2021 0:32:36 GMT
Glad I ain't going to France. Although the area I am going to be in Germany is very much an anti-vax AFD stronghold
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 26, 2021 0:35:34 GMT
It is a lose lose no matter what they do. You force people to get vaccinated by law and long term effects from the vaccine are identified in 2 years imagine the firestorm. Do nothing and infection rates will continue to rise.
I envy you your democracy. We used to have one. I miss it greatly.
Well as they say "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence". (no reference to the green "party" intended) With the whole movement of "say what you want as long as you agree with me", it often doesn't look much like a democracy on this side of the border either...
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 26, 2021 0:41:50 GMT
I hear you. As long as your decision only affects you I'm with you (let's not think about seatbelts and helmets for a minute). But if they decide it's about protecting society then that's a different thing - and the pendulum does seem to be swinging that way. I`m sorry Chris, but my perspective see`s your statement as such... I wish I could say that... "As long as your decision only affects you I`m with you." But if you look at this scenario, if I don`t have that right, either do you. I am being asked to give up domain over my own body/personal sovereignty, so I can go shopping in Wallmart, and some hysteric`s in your camp will most certainly discriminate in all manner socially...it`s already happening. It`s my choice but it`s your mandate. What I really stand for is a modicum of pushback to any health policy driven by corporate globalist`s with terrified bought out politicians in tow. I think vaccination was the only way out of the scenario they created. But I question the total validity of the scenario they created. So...I`m in a different place than the moral majority I believe. I have history with vaccines as one didn`t agree with me as a kid. As for Covid vaccinated people, please carry on, but I do expect the same degree of compassion, and consideration as any other human. If that becomes impossible for most, the social problems we face today might be pale in comparison to what erupts. I sure hope it doesn`t get out of hand. I`m tired of protests and violence. To be clear I have no problem with your point of view Chris, you make some really good points...I just don`t think this is a one opinion covers all kind of topic. Is that you, Jim?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 11:34:26 GMT
Is that you, Jim?
Yup...
Got an invite from another member and decided to join the community. Nice place here. Still visit the for sale section at the other place but that`s about it for GC now.
I`m trying to stay out of this convo, yet this topic seems to overshadow all else in our lives so I find it hard to stay out of the discussion. Didn`t mean to poop on your thread man, just killing time as per usual.
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