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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Dec 24, 2016 23:11:20 GMT
That kid has chops, damn.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 25, 2016 15:39:05 GMT
Damn nuce amp.... I can't hear holes in grill cloth or tolex so n o issue... Gives it character... There are some spots along the bottom that I should glue because they catch whenever it is moved. Best to glue them and not have them ripping any further. Once that and a couple of other small tears are glued I might just say screw it and not get it recovered because you're right, it does add character. It looks like it has been through the rock and roll wars and is still roaring like a good Marshall should and it might be stupid to get rid of its character, even if I am not the one who gave it that character.
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Post by Maxwell on Dec 25, 2016 16:04:12 GMT
Damn nuce amp.... I can't hear holes in grill cloth or tolex so n o issue... Gives it character... There are some spots along the bottom that I should glue because they catch whenever it is moved. Best to glue them and not have them ripping any further. Once that and a couple of other small tears are glued I might just say screw it and not get it recovered because you're right, it does add character. It looks like it has been through the rock and roll wars and is still roaring like a good Marshall should and it might be stupid to get rid of its character, even if I am not the one who gave it that character. Hell, with the tattoo front amps today, you could replace the grill with a fancy printed cloth... This would look good printed on cloth...
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Post by Colchar on Dec 25, 2016 16:07:05 GMT
There are some spots along the bottom that I should glue because they catch whenever it is moved. Best to glue them and not have them ripping any further. Once that and a couple of other small tears are glued I might just say screw it and not get it recovered because you're right, it does add character. It looks like it has been through the rock and roll wars and is still roaring like a good Marshall should and it might be stupid to get rid of its character, even if I am not the one who gave it that character. Hell, with the tattoo front amps today, you could replace the grill with a fancy printed cloth... This would look good printed on cloth... The Ottawa Suckators emblem??? Right, that's it, I am gonna start pushing buttons so that I can ban your ass for such an offensive post! We simply will not stand for that kind of thing around here. No Sir, we most certainly will not.
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Post by Maxwell on Dec 25, 2016 16:16:53 GMT
Oooops.... Honest mistake....
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Post by jdto on Dec 25, 2016 19:10:41 GMT
I thought we'd agreed not to post images of dogshit on the forum?
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Post by Maxwell on Dec 25, 2016 22:53:23 GMT
I scored a two-fer!
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Dec 26, 2016 6:32:54 GMT
I don't think I would bother retolexing or even doing a new grill. If you ever take it out of the house it's bound to get fucked up anyway. And having paid what you did, I don't see how you could lose money on it in working condition. Don't know that you'd gain that much more by prettying it up. I think that amp would probably go for AT LEAST $500 USD avg. here so it'd have to be closer to $600-650 up there.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 26, 2016 16:31:13 GMT
I don't think I would bother retolexing or even doing a new grill. If you ever take it out of the house it's bound to get fucked up anyway. And having paid what you did, I don't see how you could lose money on it in working condition. Don't know that you'd gain that much more by prettying it up. I think that amp would probably go for AT LEAST $500 USD avg. here so it'd have to be closer to $600-650 up there. Once I learn how to properly set it, this amp could be a lifer. What a deal, a lifer for $175 Having it all nice and pretty would be cool but so are its battle scars, even if I didn't inflict them. If I never manage to set it how I want it I could always list it for trade for say a DSL, a JCM800, or whatever and I am betting that there are a lot of those out there in similar condition. But I am going to take my sweet time figuring out how to dial it in properly as I think there are a lot of tones sitting in there just waiting to be pulled out. I might grab an overdrive pedal (maybe a Tube Screamer or something similar) just for fun, but I certainly don't need one as there is more gain available in this amp than any reasonable human being could ever need. For some reason the TSL is seen as a lesser amp than the DSL but I think that is an undeserved internet reputation. Unlike the DSL, the TSL has separate tone controls for each channel which make it more practical as it would suck having to change EQ settings every time you changed channels on a channel switcher.
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Dec 26, 2016 17:31:09 GMT
The shared EQ is what really kills the DSL imo. They didn't get the voicing of the channels right, in relation to each other, for that setup to be as usable as it should. Really gotta have EQ for all channels.
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Post by Marshall 'n' Moonshine on Dec 26, 2016 23:36:17 GMT
The shared EQ is what really kills the DSL imo. They didn't get the voicing of the channels right, in relation to each other, for that setup to be as usable as it should. Really gotta have EQ for all channels. Shared eq kills so many channel switching amps. Yes they're intimidating at first. I don't want one, but I don't need one. I think the trick if you have a multi channel amp with channel eq is to say "I don't have a three channel amp, I have three amps that share a cab". Nobody says you have to use it all. If a jvm 410 truly had my 2204 inside it (and was bulletproof), I'd buy one. I'd set that channel and glue the knobs. Play with the others. It can be done. But I'm happy with single channels so far, though that would be a hard price to pass up.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 27, 2016 3:28:54 GMT
The shared EQ is what really kills the DSL imo. They didn't get the voicing of the channels right, in relation to each other, for that setup to be as usable as it should. Really gotta have EQ for all channels. Shared eq kills so many channel switching amps. Yes they're intimidating at first. I don't want one, but I don't need one. I think the trick if you have a multi channel amp with channel eq is to say "I don't have a three channel amp, I have three amps that share a cab". Nobody says you have to use it all. If a jvm 410 truly had my 2204 inside it (and was bulletproof), I'd buy one. I'd set that channel and glue the knobs. Play with the others. It can be done. But I'm happy with single channels so far, though that would be a hard price to pass up. For my first real Marshall, I like having a channel switcher because it allows me to more easily explore an array of sounds and gain levels. The cool thing about the TSL having a separate EQ for each channel is that, if I find a sound I really like, I can set it and leave it while still exploring the other channels. For a more experienced user such as you that wouldn't be necessary, but for me it is helpful not just because this is my first Marshall, but also because this is my first high(ish) end amp. I look at it exactly as you described - I have three different amps. But even if I look at them as channels, I don't find the number of knobs to be intimidating the way some people seem to do. In fact, I think they make things simpler. I don't get why people rag on the TSL for the number of knobs it has because they are really very simple - gain, volume, bass, middle, and treble - when you look at them as individual sets rather than looking at the amp as a whole. In fact, from my experience with this amp (limited as that experience is thus far) I don't get why people rag on the TSLs at all as I think this amp sounds very good - it has a sweet clean channel and all the Marshall growl and roar that anyone could ever ask for. And it can do all of that at volume levels that would make your ears bleed or at volume levels that are shockingly low while still sounding good, full, and rich. To my mind, the criticism of the TSL is nothing but undeserved internet reputation and we all know how internet reputation can be taken as gospel even by those who have never played a particular piece of gear. I might, of course, be proven wrong as I spend more time with this amp but, right now, I am extremely happy and not just because of the price. If I had paid hundreds of dollars more for this amp I would still be happy with it as my first real Marshall. And as I said above, once I learn this amp and discover its various sounds and nuances it might well turn out to be a lifer.
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Dec 28, 2016 20:58:26 GMT
Imo the TSL sounds lightyears better than the JVM. Tons of people would disagree with me. "JVM HAS BETTER CLEANS. JVM HAS MORE CHANNELS. JVM HAS MORE GAIN MODES. JVM HAS MORE PRE-AMP TUBE." Meh whatever. So they added way more bells and took out the background noise/hiss issues that Marshalls have. The added filtering absolutely kills the tones of those amps. TSLs are much closer to the '80s amps in that regard. The more simple and less intrusive a circuit is in how it bends the original signal, the better it sounds. This is rule 1 of good amp design.
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