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Post by Colchar on Nov 22, 2016 3:00:16 GMT
I loved Ford's work with the Crowes. I have one of their shows on my PVR at the moment, and it is the one I was watching yesterday, but Luther Dickinson is playing with them in that show.
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Post by Bill h on Nov 22, 2016 6:44:18 GMT
I wouldn't mind having a Princeton...except for the speaker. I just plain don't like small cheap ass Fender speakers... I'd love to have a Princeton with at least a higher power transparent Emi 12 or better yet a JBL 12... The tone would be ALL AMP, not the speaker. Yeah a Princeton with a 12" inch speaker would be awesome. Most people who have made the change really seem to like it. And as I said above, Fender makes a special run that comes with a 12" speaker. I actually tried a Princeton at guitar center once. I thought it was a great amp. I also think that some of the amp modeling features and presets in the mustang, wether it is an amp or floor mount processor are pretty damn good. I was never a big fan of line 6 or behringer or just modeling effects in general but the mustang is one of the better ones out there. I'm partial to it because my wife got me the floor model for my birthday a few years ago. I never gigged with it but used it at practice a lot. I was needing a pre-amp for my monobloc at the time and she thought I would like it (smart girl, gotta luv her). Anyhow the floor pod worked so well I started looking at the fender amps. In the end I snagged an mp-1 and the mustang wound up as a handy practice room tool. All I have now is an old line 6 flextone combo I noodle around on. If Linette ever get me to start up again (like she's doing now) I'm definitely going with a fender amp and a pedal or two, plain Jane, meat'n'taters. I always had that "more is better" mentality about gear, mostly because I didn't know what I was doing anyway.......moron. Anyhow, I've gotten older and wiser, I think. A really good amp,couple'a pedals, yer done.
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Post by Maxwell on Nov 22, 2016 13:04:11 GMT
I think a tube Princeton with a JBL full range 15" like the old Twin 15" would be bad ass...
Nothing like a guitar through a "quality" 15" speaker...
I still say the finest amp I've ever heard in my life was an original Twin Custom 15 (or whatever the actually called it) JBL 15" back when I was a teenager...
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Post by Bill h on Nov 22, 2016 15:56:01 GMT
Dammit Edro, gonna waste the first hour at work looking at fender demos. Never seen or tried a twin custom before, the demo was pretty good. I had a friend that jammed with me all the time that had a twin reverb, an older one, not sure what year. Anyhow, I was around that amp many times, it sounded awesome but at the same time, it was a whole lotta amp, not sure if I would go that route.
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Post by Colchar on Nov 22, 2016 17:14:05 GMT
Yeah the Twin is far too much amp for a home playing hack like myself. Great tone, but waaaaaaaay too much amp.
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Nov 22, 2016 20:14:40 GMT
I've never gotten a Twin above 1. Running an early SF Bassman wide open was one of the more fun things I've done. And I think they sound sweeter than the Twins.
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Post by Maxwell on Nov 22, 2016 21:17:56 GMT
A good 15" for guitar is da cheeze...
I guess I am bassackwards.... I prefer a 15" for guitar and 10" or 12"s for bass...
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Post by Colchar on Nov 23, 2016 19:59:39 GMT
The retailer that JDTO and I shop at is having a Black Friday sale this week. It is too bad that Twins are so monstrously loud because there are a few available across the country at good price - a few as low as $799.
Speaking of $799, there is a Deluxe Reverb available for that price as well. It is at a store in a small town so I am hoping that it doesn't get purchased. I will pop into my local store on Friday afternoon and will put a deposit on my account and will ask any one of the friends who work there to check the amp (and a couple of other items) first thing Saturday morning. If they haven't been snagged I will ask them to transfer them in for me. My own store has a DRRI for $999 butt, since it is used, they won't price match the other store.
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Nov 23, 2016 22:50:23 GMT
So, since I had nothing better to do, I was noodling around with my Soul Food this afternoon. I got a clip of it going full bore (vol a bit over half, tone at half, gain maxed out) into the JCM 800 set super clean somewhere just north of "acceptable bedroom volume."
https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fandrewpgarcia%2Fmarshall-soul-food
Then I decided to make a quick comparison clip, with no gain at all on the Soul Food, but the volume almost maxed out. I set the preamp on the JCM 800 to 8. No changes in EQ, or master volume.
https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fandrewpgarcia%2Fmarshall-pre-amp-slammed
The gain in clip 2 is all the preamp on the Marshall. Nothing else. To my ear it sounds better. But the Soul Food has a lot of mids in the gain structure. I do quite like the sound of it pushing a lot of volume with just a bit of drive added. Didn't get a clip of that though. Also, not a perfect recording, or a great mic. But I think it gets the sound across pretty well. Even at low volumes that amp sounds huge on it's own. The boost adds another whole dimension.
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Post by Colchar on Nov 26, 2016 0:38:24 GMT
So in the end I went off the board - I bought an AC15.
I used to have one (the first of the special run blue ones that came into Canada) and really liked it, but had to sell it and a couple of other things at a time when money was tight (it sucks, but it happens).
I was in my local store today and tried the Marshall DSL40C. Just as before, I liked the clean and crunch channels but the rest of the amp did nothing for me.
I then spent half an hour or more going back and forth between a Deluxe Reverb and an AC15.
While the DRRI sounded awesome (nice bottom end and chords almost seemed to bloom) it was almost too clean. Because it is such a loud amp, there is absolutely no way that I can get any kind of breakup out of it when playing at home. Yes, I can put pedals in front of it but for today I was concentrating solely on the amp and not what might be added to it later. In contrast, the Vox was a lot more versatile due to having not only a normal and a top boost channel, but also because of the master volume. The tone cut is also a great feature. Both the DRRI and the Vox can be pretty bright, but at least the Vox gives you a simple way to dial out some of the brightness, something you can't achieve on the DRRI without going inside and cutting a cap out of the circuit.
They are both wonderful amps that sound very different, but have a long history as blues and classic rock amps (well probably the AC30 more than the AC15 but still....). But the Vox won out due to its versatility for a home player like myself. If I was playing in clubs then I would likely have chosen the DRRI but as a home player, the Vox was the right choice.
There were a couple of used ones available but they cannot transfer anything today due to the Black Friday sale. If the one I chose, which is going for $599, is still available tomorrow morning then their assistant manager is going to snag it for me. If it isn't there is another one available for only $50 more and he will snag that one. There was one used DRRI available for a really good price ($799) and that represents a greater savings over the new price than the Vox does (the DRRI was about half of the new price while the Vox is about 2/3 of the new price) but I didn't let the savings cloud my judgement and made my choice based on how they sounded and how I can use them when playing at home.
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Post by jdto on Nov 26, 2016 4:17:12 GMT
Sweet. Vox are definitely tone machines.
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Nov 26, 2016 19:45:48 GMT
Kick ass, man. Have fun with it!
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Post by jdto on Nov 27, 2016 3:14:33 GMT
I'm pretty sure I saw your Traynor on Kijiji today.
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Post by Colchar on Nov 27, 2016 5:45:38 GMT
I'm pretty sure I saw your Traynor on Kijiji today. I hope you weren't the asshole who contacted me and offered $250
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Post by johnnyn on Nov 27, 2016 10:51:16 GMT
Great choice! Congratulations and happy NAD
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Post by Colchar on Nov 27, 2016 18:49:24 GMT
Great choice! Congratulations and happy NAD Thanks, but the NAD won't be until later this week or early next week. I have to get into the store to finalize the deal (either Monday or Wednesday, depending on my schedule) and then it has to be shipped from the opposite end of the city to my local store (that won't take long as it is just an hour's drive, but it will depend on pickup and delivery days and whether it goes direct or not).
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Post by jdto on Nov 27, 2016 19:35:04 GMT
I'm pretty sure I saw your Traynor on Kijiji today. I hope you weren't the asshole who contacted me and offered $250 LOL nope. I've already got one, although I haven't been playing it much lately. I am considering putting it up for sale, too, but not sure yet, so I'm hanging on for now. I just had a good hour of playing my YBA-1 Mod1 on the 0.1 W setting turned up to about 4 on both channels in series. I played both the SG and the Gretsch and it has a great Marshally classic rock sound. With the Schaffer Replica pedal, which I love, it just kicks in that extra something that fills out the sound. I had a huge shit-eating grin on my face the whole time. I'm glad I didn't give in to the Marshall GAS as I think this amp gives me the sound I want to hear. I still want to try it with a cab with greenbacks, but these Vintage 30s still sound pretty good. I might see if Long & McQuade has one of those Traynor 212 greenback loaded cabs to rent.
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Post by Colchar on Nov 27, 2016 20:47:35 GMT
I hope you weren't the asshole who contacted me and offered $250 LOL nope. I've already got one, although I haven't been playing it much lately. I am considering putting it up for sale, too, but not sure yet, so I'm hanging on for now. I just had a good hour of playing my YBA-1 Mod1 on the 0.1 W setting turned up to about 4 on both channels in series. I played both the SG and the Gretsch and it has a great Marshally classic rock sound. With the Schaffer Replica pedal, which I love, it just kicks in that extra something that fills out the sound. I had a huge shit-eating grin on my face the whole time. I'm glad I didn't give in to the Marshall GAS as I think this amp gives me the sound I want to hear. I still want to try it with a cab with greenbacks, but these Vintage 30s still sound pretty good. I might see if Long & McQuade has one of those Traynor 212 greenback loaded cabs to rent. When I received the email asking "will you take $250?" I replied "sure, as a deposit". After that the guy sent an email saying "$300? ?" but I ignored that one. Those YBAs are great amps. If I get a Marshall itch at some point in the future I will seriously consider them. But the more I think about what my previous AC15C1 was like, the more I realize that this was the right decision.
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Post by jdto on Nov 27, 2016 21:02:59 GMT
Yeah, man, those Vox AC15/30 amps are pretty sweet.
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Post by Colchar on Nov 29, 2016 0:54:14 GMT
So the AC15 is on its way to me.
I popped into the store tonight to trade in my YGL1. I had it up on Kijiji and Craigslist but got tired of dealing with the idiots so just decided to trade it in. I got back $406.80, which is a very good price considering I didn't pay a whole hell of a lot more than that when I originally bought it. So they added that to the deposit I had given and I paid the difference. Hopefully it will arrive by the end of the week. If not, it will be here early next week.
The guitar tech is also expecting my Tele next Tuesday so that he can do the work on the neck and swap it in. That gives me a few days to decide which pickups I want but, failing that, I can use the ones that are in it until about March and then have the pickups swapped (the tech gets really busy in January and February so I won't hassle him with my pickup swap until his workload settles down again).
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Post by Marshall 'n' Moonshine on Nov 29, 2016 20:57:54 GMT
Thread gives mad disappointment. Looking for a Marshall, walks off with a Vox?! 2016, you're the fuckin weirdest one yet.
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Post by Maxwell on Nov 30, 2016 20:26:45 GMT
MM, he's a loony damn Canuckistani....
Can't learn em nuttin....
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Post by Marshall 'n' Moonshine on Dec 1, 2016 10:38:58 GMT
MM, he's a loony damn Canuckistani.... Can't learn em nuttin.... They get that screwy bacon in their heads and they stop knowing things.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 1, 2016 15:22:07 GMT
You two can bite me...at least both amps have British sounds so are in the same ballpark. Sorta. Kinda. Well not exactly but fuck it...........
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Post by Marshall 'n' Moonshine on Dec 1, 2016 20:04:55 GMT
Was that a 2204 or an AC15?? -no one, ever.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 2, 2016 0:00:21 GMT
Was that a 2204 or an AC15?? -no one, ever. True, but Houses of the Holy and Physical Graffiti were both recorded on Vox amps and they are two of my favourite albums. Now if only I had 1/100th of Page's talent..................
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Post by Marshall 'n' Moonshine on Dec 2, 2016 0:03:24 GMT
"Recorded"..... You're gonna need the studio, too.
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Post by Snoop Droobie Doge Doge on Dec 2, 2016 3:15:01 GMT
Much as I like a well-sorted Vox (met a few AC30s in my day that sounded like utter dogshit), I rather like how old Marshalls have a bit of a Fender quality to them. It's really hard to describe and you hear it less and less in each newer amp they release, but you can play a 2203 and still hear that it started off as a Bassman circuit. It's like a Fender Bassman that's lived all it's life in Manchester getting drunk, working in a factory, and fighting people. It has a flatter EQ curve, and a slightly stiffer feel. That said, a good Vox dialed in right sounds fucking ungodly. A friend of mine in high school had tons of gear at his place, and one of his go-to amps was a newer AC30. I seriously loved that amp. Not played many 15s but to my ears the clips of both sound super close together. This thread got me thinking about it, it's been a solid couple years since I've played any Vox. Kinda felt compelled to edit my post as I don't think I originally gave them enough credit. Absolutely stands toe-to-toe with a good Marshall. Just very different characters.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 2, 2016 6:11:58 GMT
Much as I like a well-sorted Vox (met a few AC30s in my day that sounded like utter dogshit), I rather like how old Marshalls have a bit of a Fender quality to them. It's really hard to describe and you hear it less and less in each newer amp they release, but you can play a 2203 and still hear that it started off as a Bassman circuit. It's like a Fender Bassman that's lived all it's life in Manchester getting drunk, working in a factory, and fighting people. That is the single greatest description of any amp I have ever read. I really liked the AC15 that I used to have. If financial circumstances hadn't dictated that I sell it I would likely still own it. That is enough reason to grab another. I still like Marshall tones and can buy one at some point in the future, but I can also take my sweet ass time finding the right one. Actually, a JCM800 (the 2x12 combo version) came up in the local classifieds. The guy was looking to trade but I sent him a message anyway to see how much he would sell it for. He hasn't responded yet, but I am curious. The tolex looked a little rough, it had no grill cloth, and a couple of knobs were broken so he can't ask too much for it.
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Post by Colchar on Dec 2, 2016 7:37:56 GMT
He wants $1300 for it which seems high for an amp in that condition.
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