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Post by zontar on Dec 17, 2020 8:25:43 GMT
I thought it might be fun to share stuff we do when playing with others that may not be obvious or usual. Maybe it is though. So share things you do or have done while playing with others and find out if others do that.
I'll start with this one that I thought of earlier tonight.
Back in the day when jamming may have meant having 3 or 4 or more guitar players all jamming away at the same chords. No PA & some players cranking their maps more than others. It could be a mass of noise--and hard to hear yourself.
What I would sometimes do when I couldn't hear myself is to play something intentionally wrong to see if I could hear that. If I could then I could more easily follow my own playing. If I still could hera it I needed a different strategy.
So anybody else ever intentionally play something wrong to see if you could hear yourself?
And few free to share as well.
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 17, 2020 8:53:06 GMT
I often play things wrong, unfortunately unintentionally. I am quite a loud player, so never have a problem hearing myself in our band. I have played with some people way louder than me at jams. I usually lower my volume to make a point
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 17, 2020 13:29:27 GMT
I'm fortunate that we never play at crazy volumes in rehearsal or on stage. As I'm often the only amplified instrument I am very disciplined and I have a very good idea where my level needs to be.
I don't really play jams anymore because there were times when I literally had to wear hearing protection and there were other issues that greatly frustrated me.
Although an interesting observation about playing with others... I often have to tell the upright bass player to turn UP, not down
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Post by Bill h on Dec 17, 2020 23:15:26 GMT
“many guitar players simply learn their songs in reference points on the neck and patterns“. This is a quote db from another thread that I’m guilty of. Being the only guitar player in most bands I’ve played in and playing by ear I’ve had to come up with lots of tricks to make up for my failings. One of these tricks is bending a bad note into tune and making it sound like the bend should be there. I’ve been in jamming situations where someone was playing to loud and what I would do is turn way down, this would get the person playing to loud to notice and then we would reach a “volume compromise” if you will.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 18, 2020 1:36:04 GMT
Hey its not your being guilty of anything- it is just how you learn
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Post by zontar on Dec 18, 2020 2:30:19 GMT
Well One thing I try not to do is noodle when playing with others I may do a bit when I start to warm up--but that should also get it out of my system
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 18, 2020 9:55:43 GMT
Well One thing I try not to do is noodle when playing with others I may do a bit when I start to warm up--but that should also get it out of my system I get annoyed with those in the band who noodle before we start a gig. I keep telling them, to turn their volume off before we start. It's ok to check your equipment before a gig starts, but once we are all on stage, I like the impact of 'hitting' audience with our normal first number
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 18, 2020 13:34:46 GMT
Well One thing I try not to do is noodle when playing with others I may do a bit when I start to warm up--but that should also get it out of my system Yeah that is irritating- but even more irritating when a trombone player (for example) is noodling. You can't turn him down...
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Post by infant on Dec 18, 2020 19:36:53 GMT
I may noodle a bit beforehand but I keep the volume right down that its only audible right in front of the amp.
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Post by Bill h on Dec 18, 2020 20:02:22 GMT
I only noodled during sound check when nobody was around. Never ever noodled once the stage was set or right after strapping on the guitar to start the night.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 18, 2020 20:06:11 GMT
I never noodle on stage either
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Post by zontar on Dec 19, 2020 8:32:05 GMT
Well One thing I try not to do is noodle when playing with others I may do a bit when I start to warm up--but that should also get it out of my system Yeah that is irritating- but even more irritating when a trombone player (for example) is noodling. You can't turn him down...
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 19, 2020 9:56:06 GMT
Well One thing I try not to do is noodle when playing with others I may do a bit when I start to warm up--but that should also get it out of my system Yeah that is irritating- but even more irritating when a trombone player (for example) is noodling. You can't turn him down... I went to a local blues jam last year and a bloke, who was a regular sax player, turned up with his trombone playing friend. As well as getting clouted a few times by that thing that goes in and out, he was bloody awful. He may have been fine for other types of music, but not the blues stuff we were playing
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Post by infant on Dec 19, 2020 13:39:28 GMT
Well One thing I try not to do is noodle when playing with others I may do a bit when I start to warm up--but that should also get it out of my system Yeah that is irritating- but even more irritating when a trombone player (for example) is noodling. You can't turn him down... Try a sax player!!! He plays very fast scales and arpeggios to warm up the sax and then tries to break in his reed for the high notes...which can sometimes turn into a loud squeak! He likes to go and play into a corner facing away from people but the sound deflects off of the walls much like the way Bose speakers are set up. Drives me nuts! 🤪🤪🤪
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 19, 2020 16:17:24 GMT
Yeah that is irritating- but even more irritating when a trombone player (for example) is noodling. You can't turn him down... Try a sax player!!! He plays very fast scales and arpeggios to warm up the sax and then tries to break in his reed for the high notes...which can sometimes turn into a loud squeak! He likes to go and play into a corner facing away from people but the sound deflects off of the walls much like the way Bose speakers are set up. Drives me nuts! 🤪🤪🤪 Oh the honk of a sax...
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 19, 2020 16:20:27 GMT
Yeah that is irritating- but even more irritating when a trombone player (for example) is noodling. You can't turn him down... I went to a local blues jam last year and a bloke, who was a regular sax player, turned up with his trombone playing friend. As well as getting clouted a few times by that thing that goes in and out, he was bloody awful. He may have been fine for other types of music, but not the blues stuff we were playing He hit you with the slide??? I Suspect the guy was either just a bad player or the keys were tripping him up. Sharp keys are about as beloved to horn players as flat keys are to guitar players
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Post by zontar on Dec 19, 2020 22:55:06 GMT
Another thing--and maybe it's just me, but by nature I am an introvert, but jamming and other playing with others sometimes turns me into an extrovert--at least a bit.
I talk with people I wouldn't normally talk to, and I think it's because we have something in common.
And it helps make it fun.
It can also be a good way to learn from others and to help teach others as well.
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Post by Bill h on Dec 19, 2020 23:21:57 GMT
Another thing--and maybe it's just me, but by nature I am an introvert, but jamming and other playing with others sometimes turns me into an extrovert--at least a bit. I talk with people I wouldn't normally talk to, and I think it's because we have something in common. And it helps make it fun. It can also be a good way to learn from others and to help teach others as well. I’m an introvert as well, you might say an extreme introvert, anybody that knows me would tell you that. I can’t say playing music wether it’s jamming with others or in a gigging band turns me into an extrovert, it doesn’t, but what I can say is that I have no fear of a stage and a room full of people if playing is involved.
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Post by zontar on Dec 19, 2020 23:24:54 GMT
People tell me they thought I was quiet, until they got to know me.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 20, 2020 1:01:00 GMT
I'm definitely not an introvert but not an extreme extrovert- maybe time for a Myers-Briggs thread?
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Post by zontar on Dec 20, 2020 1:05:36 GMT
I'm definitely not an introvert but not an extreme extrovert- maybe time for a Myers-Briggs thread? Better you than me...
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 20, 2020 1:19:09 GMT
I'm definitely not an introvert but not an extreme extrovert- maybe time for a Myers-Briggs thread? Better you than me... Hey, it is what it is, as they say...
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Post by zontar on Dec 20, 2020 22:48:09 GMT
Who says that? They? you mean Slider's uncles, Eddie and Glen?
Rush fans might get that reference.
Which is another thing I do when playing with otehrs--make musical & lyrical references, not worrying if anybody else gets them or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 19:15:10 GMT
Noodlers drive me crazy whether it's a rehearsal or on stage. The worst was a guitar player who'd play the opening licks of a song we were about to play at a gig. I'd tell him "Don't give it away so everybody knows what's coming" but it didn't help. Some guys are so clueless.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 21, 2020 20:04:52 GMT
Noodlers drive me crazy whether it's a rehearsal or on stage. The worst was a guitar player who'd play the opening licks of a song we were about to play at a gig. I'd tell him "Don't give it away so everybody knows what's coming" but it didn't help. Some guys are so clueless. It ain't just guitar players who give away the songs while noodling before a show...
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Post by zontar on Dec 22, 2020 6:26:57 GMT
One thing I have done is jamming with a new group of people, and totally kill--jusst have a great time playing. then jamming with them again, and just sucking.
Everybody has off days/nights--and everybody has those times when it just comes together. Usually it's somewhere in between
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 22, 2020 14:15:29 GMT
Everybody has off days/nights--and everybody has those times when it just comes together. Usually it's somewhere in between Tell me about it. One famous trumpet player once said "Some days you lose, the other days the trumpet wins". Sometimes it is like that on guitar too
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Post by zontar on Dec 23, 2020 2:29:24 GMT
Everybody has off days/nights--and everybody has those times when it just comes together. Usually it's somewhere in between Tell me about it. One famous trumpet player once said "Some days you lose, the other days the trumpet wins". Sometimes it is like that on guitar too Yes, sometimes when I play guitar, the trumpet wins...
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 23, 2020 2:44:28 GMT
Tell me about it. One famous trumpet player once said "Some days you lose, the other days the trumpet wins". Sometimes it is like that on guitar too Yes, sometimes when I play guitar, the trumpet wins... You bettah believe it
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 23, 2020 9:42:39 GMT
I went to a local blues jam last year and a bloke, who was a regular sax player, turned up with his trombone playing friend. As well as getting clouted a few times by that thing that goes in and out, he was bloody awful. He may have been fine for other types of music, but not the blues stuff we were playing He hit you with the slide??? I Suspect the guy was either just a bad player or the keys were tripping him up. Sharp keys are about as beloved to horn players as flat keys are to guitar players Yes, but to be fair to him, it was a crowded floor area. I kept trying to get out of his way, but I think he was following me
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