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Post by Bill h on Nov 20, 2020 16:28:43 GMT
Wether your in a cover band, original band or just playing at home all of us have played covers. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, most of our members have been on the planet for a while. Before the internet, utube etc... I learned strictly by ear, I can’t read music and I don’t have the patience for tab. By ear I was able to get close and for a time, got pretty good at it. So, here comes the internet, Utube, Facebook etc... as we all know, you can find a vid lesson on just about any song you want to play, some good, some not. Usually you can find several on the same tune. I’ll admit, having videos available speeds up the learning process but I always watch them with a grain of salt and still rely on my ear to an extent. With all this info available to kids at the stroke of a key I’m wondering why we don’t have more top level guitarists out there. Anyhow, my question is this, since most of us learned guitar pre-internet, how much does the internet impact your playing?
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Post by Sgt Rock on Nov 21, 2020 5:09:27 GMT
being from the "old school" of learning, I, too, learned to play by ear or having someone show you how they played a song. then came these books that had the songs in them with chords above the words. they came in so handy in learning to play a song. those helped, but you had to put some feeling into your playing. I can't read music either, but these songbooks helped a lot however, I have used the videos from time to time. another alternative I use is writing my own songs. then I still put the chords above the words in the song.
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Post by johnreardon on Nov 21, 2020 10:05:37 GMT
I'd like to say it doesn't really have an impact on my playing, but of course it does to a degree.
I started as most of us by playing by ear. I would slow the old 45s down to 33 to learn instrumentals as they would be the only things I would try and play note for note. For songs I would always 'interpret' them rather than try and play them exactly, particularly the solos. To be honest, I don't even play solos to our own originals note for note. It depends on how I feel at the gig. I always try to start off with the same notes and then see where my fingers go.
Where the internet helps now is discovering new stuff. I was going to play at a jam with a friend and he suggested we do a Neil Young song, Cortez the Killer, but similar to Warren Haynes & Dave Mathews, so I took a listen to this, just to get the feel.
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Post by infant on Nov 21, 2020 23:36:51 GMT
I used to be able to read 45 years ago but once I started playing in bands, I started learning by ear. Like John, I adlib my solos. I start the solos like the original but after the first few notes, I use artistic impression to add my own sound to it. Nowadays, we use the internet to get lyrics and chords and we use that as a base for learning the song.
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Post by Sgt Rock on Nov 22, 2020 4:27:32 GMT
I used to be able to read 45 years ago but once I started playing in bands, I started learning by ear. Like John, I adlib my solos. I start the solos like the original but after the first few notes, I use artistic impression to add my own sound to it. Nowadays, we use the internet to get lyrics and chords and we use that as a base for learning the song. I, too, never played the same lead twice. however, I did try to make it sound close to the music. years ago a friend and I had worked up an act for playing in a few pizza places around our area, well, one day I ralized that I wasn't playing the same lead every time we were playing the songs. I mentioned it to my buddy. he said, "that's ok. it still sounds good". actually, I think it's a sign of greatness. I once watched a video about Cream. Ginger Baker said of Eric Clapton, "he's never played the same lead twice". so, for all of us guys that adlib our lead parts, we're among "GREATNESS". ha ha ha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 20:46:04 GMT
When I took up the guitar at 13, I taught myself to read sheet music. It wasn't long before I realized how little value it was to me because there weren't many songs that they were sheet music for, at least for rock and roll. Most popular music that I found was in "fake books" which showed chords but no solos.....Great for rhythm guitar and for lyrics, but not much else. I ended up learning most stuff playing by ear, which served me well for many years. When I learned about tab, it sounded great in theory, but painfully slow and awkward in practice, so I've never pursued it. I find that, as a bass player, there are some valuable insights to be had in watching online lessons. I played in a band that did a lot of Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan music, and the video tutorials were helpful for that. I often reflect on how much easier it is for novice players today to just be able to learn from videos. When I was starting out, I spent about ten years learning to play lead guitar, and none of it came easy. But, there was a great deal of self-satisfaction in learning something and knowing it was all me, and not just parroting somebody else's knowledge.
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Post by infant on Dec 4, 2020 21:03:53 GMT
The way I look at it, if someone wants to hear a song played note for note, just listen to the radio and let the live musicians showcase their own talents
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 5, 2020 9:37:36 GMT
The way I look at it, if someone wants to hear a song played note for note, just listen to the radio and let the live musicians showcase their own talents Exactly. I had someone respond on a Facebook groups, to the Parchman Farm video I did. He just said 'Speedy'. I asked him what he meant and he said it was faster than the 'original version'. I just laughed
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Post by zontar on Dec 5, 2020 10:00:47 GMT
I've learned from standard notation, tab, videos, friends, chord charts, teachers, figuring it out myself etc. And various combinations--I like to put my own spin on it--of course when playing with others it still has to fit in with the others.
I am not a stickler for playing a cover exactly like the original. The bands that recorded those rarely play it exactly the same when playing live--they may play it very close, but they make changes -for a variety of reasons.
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 5, 2020 16:41:11 GMT
I've learned from standard notation, tab, videos, friends, chord charts, teachers, figuring it out myself etc. And various combinations--..... The bands that recorded those rarely play it exactly the same when playing live--they may play it very close, but they make changes -for a variety of reasons.
Exactly. I was at a jam a few years ago and this bloke wanted to do 'Crossroads'. I asked him how fast or slow he wanted and he said like Clapton, so I then asked which performance/version. It shut him up for a few mins, so I said, why don't you start it and I'll follow
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Post by Bill h on Dec 5, 2020 20:50:51 GMT
Trying to learn a cover note for note is tough. I have to make adjustments because sometimes I simply can’t play it the like the original. Most of the liberties I take are with solos. Because my soloing isn’t that good I concern myself with staying in key and making sure I get the recognizable riffs, the rest is all by the seat of my pants.
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Post by zontar on Dec 6, 2020 2:44:58 GMT
Trying to learn a cover note for note is tough. I have to make adjustments because sometimes I simply can’t play it the like the original. Most of the liberties I take are with solos. Because my soloing isn’t that good I concern myself with staying in key and making sure I get the recognizable riffs, the rest is all by the seat of my pants. I sometimes do things little differently simply because I'm playing a different guitar.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 17, 2020 1:00:30 GMT
I can't read music notation for guitars very well but there is no way I could sight read those chord changes at tempo. I've found that standard lead sheets with chord names over the measures work great for me. That said I am not seeking specific voicing when I play
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Post by zontar on Dec 17, 2020 7:50:16 GMT
I can't read music notation for guitars very well but there is no way I could sight read those chord changes at tempo. I've found that standard lead sheets with chord names over the measures work great for me. That said I am not seeking specific voicing when I play Much of my playing with others has either involved chord charts or learning it beforehand--(however you like to learn it) Or someone else shows the other what to play--that happened a lot in my more frequent jamming days. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. I hated it when someone would say--"Watch me" but make it impossible to see what they're doing.
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 17, 2020 8:25:27 GMT
I can't read music notation for guitars very well but there is no way I could sight read those chord changes at tempo. I've found that standard lead sheets with chord names over the measures work great for me. That said I am not seeking specific voicing when I play Much of my playing with others has either involved chord charts or learning it beforehand--(however you like to learn it) Or someone else shows the other what to play--that happened a lot in my more frequent jamming days. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. I hated it when someone would say--"Watch me" but make it impossible to see what they're doing.Me too. It rarely happened and when it did, I was always a bit embarrassed as I though I should have known. I can't teach people either. Think it stems back to the days of my youth when a really good looking girlfriend of a mate wanted me to teach her. I gave up after a couple of 'lessons' mainly because I was too interested in looking at her 'attributes'
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 17, 2020 12:58:00 GMT
The problem is (and this is not meant to sound academic) many guitar players simply learn their songs in reference points on the neck and patterns. They aren't really thinking in keys and sometimes they are playing what they hear but not what's being played.
I love fake books!
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Post by zontar on Dec 18, 2020 1:57:01 GMT
The problem is (and this is not meant to sound academic) many guitar players simply learn their songs in reference points on the neck and patterns. They aren't really thinking in keys and sometimes they are playing what they hear but not what's being played. I love fake books! Sometimes I just play & let muscle memory take over. I hadn't played Sultans of Swing in years--but while playing on Tuesday I got a nice revrby sound with my Mustang & started playing it--it all came back to me. So I loaded up the song & played along. I made a few mistakes--well as I said --it had been years--so a bit of rust is to be expected--btu with s obit of practice I would have it smooth like I used to do.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 23, 2020 1:48:26 GMT
Great song, Sultans of Swing
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Post by Bill h on Dec 23, 2020 2:39:27 GMT
Mark Knopfler is an awesome player.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 23, 2020 2:49:18 GMT
Mark Knopfler is an awesome player. Great sound on that song to be sure
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Post by zontar on Dec 23, 2020 7:21:59 GMT
This is probably my favourite Dire Straits song--and I should learn it some day.
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Post by zontar on Dec 24, 2020 8:13:27 GMT
Of course I like to mess with songs when covering them. Lost of fun that way--speed them up, slow them down, different rhythms, mess with the arrangements, power chords instead of jazz chords, or play mor complicated chords instead of power chords, etc, etc etc.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 24, 2020 14:06:34 GMT
Or play 4/4 songs in 3/4...
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Post by zontar on Dec 25, 2020 20:48:19 GMT
Or play 4/4 songs in 3/4... Sure-or 6/8 or whatever to give it a different feel. Certainly. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't--but it's fun to try. And you might just learn something.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 25, 2020 22:35:26 GMT
My son and I do that all the time, changing meters, swinging squared beat songs. Sometimes we like it so much we play it like that in the band. Sometimes it feels wrong
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Post by zontar on Dec 25, 2020 23:44:02 GMT
Or do stuff like this:
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Post by zontar on Dec 25, 2020 23:52:55 GMT
Or stuff like this.
I really like Deep Purple, especially from that time & line up--but I also really like what this version does--very different, yet somewhat recognizable.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 25, 2020 23:57:14 GMT
Combining songs is pretty cool. My son figured out that the chords for Walking My Baby Back Home fit exactly over They Can't Take That Away From Me. So when we play that song with the band, both melodies are being played simultaneously
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 26, 2020 10:10:12 GMT
Combining songs is pretty cool. My son figured out that the chords for Walking My Baby Back Home fit exactly over They Can't Take That Away From Me. So when we play that song with the band, both melodies are being played simultaneously Played loads of medleys of songs that go through the 'C, Am, F, G' chords. I usually haven't a clue what the singer is singing, just keep the chords or twiddles going until he indicates to stop.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 26, 2020 14:26:53 GMT
Combining songs is pretty cool. My son figured out that the chords for Walking My Baby Back Home fit exactly over They Can't Take That Away From Me. So when we play that song with the band, both melodies are being played simultaneously Played loads of medleys of songs that go through the 'C, Am, F, G' chords. I usually haven't a clue what the singer is singing, just keep the chords or twiddles going until je indicates to stop. Yeah with that progression you could cover off a lot of songs, especially doo wop
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