helliondarklord
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 1, 2023 0:48:15 GMT
I am trying to use some foamboard to make an acoustic style speaker box. I think it sounds the way I expected it to. I get the highs and lows with a lot of bass. (A lot more than you might think.) If it were one speaker in the foamboard it would be called "Second Acoustic Order" with two woofers and two tweeters that changes, but I have no idea what to call my little invention. I originally bought the six by nines to go into a car but then I had to pay $$$ for a doctor bill that my insurance did not cover and don't know what to do because now I don't have enough money to buy a good car. I will try to post up a video of the results of my foam-board speaker box. Can someone tell me what acoustic order this is? I can hear the harmonics of the dropped "D" tuning thoroughly throughout the song. I will only and ONE thing... IS there somewhere I can find a drummer? My music is Goth/Pop and I play both electric guitar and precision bass, but i need A DRUMMER!!! Drummer wanted... I want to become famous already. LOL BTW What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend? Homeless of course... LOL I really don't know what I am doing... What is it 8th acoustic order? each speaker gets two order so that is a WHOLE lot of acoustic order.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 1, 2023 11:54:21 GMT
Welcome aboard, darklord. Interesting concept you have going on there. However, wouldn't that be better suited for car audio? Granted, you're using what you happen to have on hand, but I would recommend acquiring an actual guitar cab.
Carvin V3's are nice amps, from what I've read. Make sure that the 'impedance switch' is set to match the impedance of your speakers though. Are they set up in series or parallel?
This may help explain it more. 8th order subwoofer As for a drummer, post a 'wanted - drummer' ad on kijiji or craigslist? In the meantime, maybe get a drum pedal? There's the 'beat buddy' or a 'trio band creator', for jamming on your own.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 1, 2023 19:08:13 GMT
Thanks for your reply. isn't there a lot of guitar speakers wired up and mounted like I have done? THey have an open back? I spent $7oo.oo on the Carvin V3 $6oo.oo plus shipping. Then my cargiver (I live in an Adult Family Home) wouldnt let me buy anny more 'Speaker stuff' I DID buy four guitars, one Glarry Electric guitar and a 5 string precision bass and a 6 string GIB Precision bass and then a Burning fire precision bass. I love them all but the 5 string has a buzzing problem and my caregiver won't take me to Guitar Center to get it fixed up.
I say "Speaker..." and they are like "Now what!?!?" and don't want to talk to me. the foamboard and superglue is a last resort. I love the way it sounds now that I have the amp dialed in and at the best tone, boost... etc. I found out that the setup is called an open baffle.
didn't know there were that many types of speaker boxes. I don't understand them though. I guess I will have to actually READ the article. LOL
Anyways, thanks for the reply
THis is an explanation (I THINK) of my setup... Open baffle
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 1, 2023 22:28:50 GMT
You asked if they were wired in series or parallel... it just says 4 ohm on the back of the magnet and has one lead thing mounted on the basket. There are two speaker jacks on the Carvin V3 so I set it on 4 ohm on the rear of the v3. I don't know how to tell what it is in amp-speak' Unfortunately I DO know what $375.oo means.... I will have to wait or somthing.... is the beat buddy worth all my money"? Do I sound good enough all by myself? Ihope I can do somthing. I was wanting to talk to a real drummer since my music is so different from other people's music.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 1, 2023 22:41:18 GMT
I need something that will thump slowly with the kick,dance on the hat with quick staccato rythm that lets the rythm guitar lead the way. Is that impossible?
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Post by laristotle on Oct 1, 2023 23:14:53 GMT
Do you have just one speaker plugged into your amp or are both wired together? or is each speaker plugged in separately?
Maybe check out a drum forum and ask there? Best of luck in your search.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 2, 2023 0:44:59 GMT
each speaker is plugged in separately. I cut a cheap guitar cord thing in half and connected the wires that came with the Rockville RV69-4A speakers. I bought them for like $6o.oo both together when I was going to put them in a car. Like I said I was not able to buy the car. I kept having to spend more money here and there and before I knew it I didn't have any money left over. THe only thing wrong with the Carvin is that I can't turn it up at all... I turn it just to where I start to hear it and it's picky. I have trouble with the volume knob, but my housemates don't seem to be bothered by it if I keep it lowest volume possible. It's got the sound I want now. (listen to my guitar on my YouTube Post on the first post I made.) I like it but my roommate didn't so I thought maybe I didn't like it. Now that I listened to the video... that sounds weird.. "Listen to my video" LOL! Anyways when I listened to my video I liked it.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 2, 2023 11:47:35 GMT
** Before (if) you proceed with this, are your cables soldered or just twisted on to the speaker tabs?
Since your speakers are 4 ohms each, that puts a 2 ohm load on your amp (the speaker outputs are in parallel). I would recommend connecting your speakers together in 'series'. Then only one cable is needed. This will give you a 8 ohm impedance.
Then change the impedance on the back of your amp to 8 ohm and choose 25 watts. You'll be able to get a better sound at lower volume.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 2, 2023 23:20:46 GMT
The back of the amp says to make sure there is speaker load on the amp. I assume that means speaker load for both speaker - out jacks - things and I have it on 100watt at 4 OHM setting. My speakers are rated for 110Watts and I don't have any feedback or anything. (Probably because I play at really low volume levels.) In my bedroom I have the speakers like 3 ft from the amp and 5 ft from the guitar. I took it everything into the living room and played it for my Mental Health worker for a while. I got good sound out of it out there in the living room propped up on the chair... I'm not sure why. Maybe it is because I had more air between the back of the speakers and the chair I put them in. It's really good sound that came out in that configuration. I liked it out there a lot. lots of lows for the electric guitar. Like if you put the tone all the way down low frequency like but I like but the coaxial tweeters that make good treble. My tone is like full-on bass, low mid, and really high treble but not treble all the way up.
I live in a Adult Family Home where they take care of me, cook my meals, give me my meds, They like this message board and think it is okay for me to be on it. I just can't spend any more money on guitar/speaker stuff so I'm kinda stuck with this double-stiff foam board folded in half and glued together. I cut the board in half, cut the cut-outs for the speakers on one side and then glued the pieces together and cut through to the the other side so I had a double thick double stiff foam board and six by nines mounted through both layers. I used a really super sharp box cutter that I bought, Gorilla superglue, and the screws that came with the Rockville RV69 110Watt six by nines and was glad that the knife was so sharp!
Don't get me wrong, I like the way the speaker set-up is on my bed, and want a regular speaker cab, but it is just better on the chair out there in the living room. I need to make some sort of stand for the speakers in here in my bedroom so I have more air between the foam board and the wall. I ran out of superglue just as I put the last of it on the last part of the speaker; just enough glue to finish it.
They made me put it away under my bed again after my mental worker said I should. I don't know if she liked it or not. she said to put it under my bed and keep it safe. One of my housemates got mad that I was pulling it out to show her what I made. I don't know what he is capable of but he got all angry when I was getting it out to show her and didn't stick around to listen even. He hates me for no reason. God will keep it safe for me though. I just Gotta let the old cranky evil man cool off and forget about it before I play guitar tomorrow just in case I accidentally have it turned on loud accidently or have the bedroom door open.
I also have no bass amp... well ok I have this tiny $2o.oo amp but I never play through it. I have a blackstar headphone amp and use it, but I can't get the sound I want out of it.
I need more money and a maybe a new place to live.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 2, 2023 23:47:22 GMT
Only one HAS to be plugged in. The second out jack is an option.
But, with two 4 ohm speakers, your amp is seeing a 2 ohm load, which may cause damage down the road.
Try this and see what you think: - Unplug the speaker from jack #2. - Set your power switch to 25W
You'll instantly hear a little lower volume, but in the 25W range, you can turn up the amp a notch or two and you will notice a difference in a more fuller sound. A touch of 'oomph', so to speak.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 3, 2023 1:41:50 GMT
That's what I am looking for... fuller sound... So, let me see if I am getting this correct. use only one jack and two speakers?
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 3, 2023 2:01:23 GMT
That's what I am looking for... fuller sound... So, let me see if I am getting this correct. use only one jack and two speakers? Here I am talking to myself... The speakers I have are 4 ohm but somehow they will destroy the amp on the 4 OHM setting? There is only ONE speaker wire for each speaker. Doesn't that mean that I have a 4 OHM?
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Post by laristotle on Oct 3, 2023 10:35:33 GMT
That's what I am looking for... fuller sound... So, let me see if I am getting this correct. use only one jack and two speakers? If you wire it up the way I showed earlier, yes. Don't worry about connecting the two speakers together at this time, just unplug one and switch the power to 25W and see (hear) what you think of the difference. You have two 4 ohm speakers plugged into the amp, which is in parallel. The 4 ohm setting on your amp is for total ohms output. (parallel speaker math - 4 oms divided by 2 speakers = 2 ohms) (series speaker math - 4 ohms + 4 ohms (2 speakers) = 8 ohms)
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 3, 2023 18:43:03 GMT
This is what I want... (series speaker math - 4 ohms + 4 ohms (2 speakers) = 8 ohms) What about the second (#2) output jack? The warning on the back says to load the amp with a speaker... Doesn't that mean load both amp outputs?
How do I do that? Also, my amp doesn't have 25W, it has 50w and 100watt. I want both speaker output jacks to be used if possible. The 8 ohm math... is that with both output jacks? I need you to help me understand a little better. The warning on the back has me a lot of scared going on. What is the reason for having two output jacks? could I run 4 speakrs or something? I have a pair of 4 ohm Bose woofers... I think they are 4 ohm each at 100Watts. Should I try using those for better sound?
I don't understand why there are two speaker output jacks. Am I just using all the wrong speakers? well it's lunch time so I gotta go. Thank you SO much for your help!!! I really appreciate it!
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 3, 2023 20:34:47 GMT
blew a speaker!!!! DO NOT do what you said to do!!!! Strange warrble sounds will occur then when you try taking it apart you break the tinsel and ruin a perfectly good speaker... HOWEVER!!! I think God let this happen because I hooked up my Bose woofers from a bass module and GOT Exactly what I want. It sounds AWESOME!!! and has BASS! ... well bass for a electric guitar It's PERFECT!!! The Holy One pf Israel just gave me what I wanted!!! Now I just need a PaPa Johns Large 1-topping Pizza for $8.99 like this ad is tempting me with... DO they do delivery? I GOT WHAT I WANT!!! Praise the God of Israel, King of The Univers, I love My God!! Our God is AMAZING!!!! The amp NEEDS speakers on both #1 and #2 output jacks or it sounds like the devil is strangling it !
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 3, 2023 23:26:46 GMT
guitartalk.freeforums.net/user/122 Almost killed my amp!!! sorry, but I broke a speaker trying to do what you wanted me to do laristotle. I had it hooked up the right way the first time and it's good that I shut off the amp quickly when trying to find the source of the warbly sound. I almost let it stay on thinking it was some setting like reverb or something. I shut it off immediately. THen I took the speakers and un hooked them and ended up breaking one. Test your $$$$ and make sure you know what you are talking about. I could have blown my CARVIN V3 trying to find the setting that caused the warbly sound. #1 you MUST have 4ohm, 8ohm, or 16 ohm load on the amp for both #1 and #2 and these need to handle 100watts or 50watts (you can have more tubes turned on for 100 Watts, and less tubes turned on for 50Watts.) #2 make sure you know what you are talking about before you go posting advice. #3 I don't hate you. #4 I only lost out $37.oo. These six by nine drivers are cheap. #5 In the end I got what I need/want without burning out the tubes. I LOVE it now!!! #6 Why don't people other then laristotle answer this post?
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Post by laristotle on Oct 3, 2023 23:31:40 GMT
This is what I want... (series speaker math - 4 ohms + 4 ohms (2 speakers) = 8 ohms) I asked earlier, how did you connect the wires to your speaker? Soldered or just twisted on? This is what series looks like: But keep in mind, the total ohms switch has to match the speaker total. So, if you want to use both speakers, they have to be wired together like the diagram and the ohms switch set at 8 ohms. Plugging in both speakers individually is not recommended for you because the amp will see a 2 ohm load, which is too low for the amp (look back at the parallel speaker math) The second output jack is for an extra speaker (cab), if one so chooses. Like the pro's do Ok, use the 50W position. The same principle applies. With less wattage, you'll be able to turn up a little more to get the same volume that you're used to, but with a fuller sound. To be honest, yes. For best effective sound, they should be guitar speakers at 8 ohms, not car audio. But, you have what you have, so we'll work with that.It's really not necessary and makes no difference with sound. They are hooked together inside the amp in parallel.
Did you enjoy it? What did you do?Interesting sentiment coming from the 'darklord'. lol Just kidding.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 3, 2023 23:37:15 GMT
It didn't work in series... just a horrible sound.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 3, 2023 23:54:35 GMT
I'm sorry to hear that you blew a speaker. How did you hook it all up? You did say a few times that you were confused about speaker load. I did stress that the total speaker load must match the amp. Do you understand the 'speaker parallel vs series' math? Most of us here are old, retired farts that very rarely come online, or when their wives allow them to. lol Do you read any other threads here? respond to them? Get to know the community here. Check them out. There's good reading here.
Again, I'm sorry to hear that you blew a speaker. If you can explain, in detail, how you hooked it all up, maybe we can figure out what went wrong. or not.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 3, 2023 23:56:39 GMT
It didn't work in series... just a horrible sound. Did you follow the diagram? Positive to negative, positive to negative. Switch to 8ohm?
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 4, 2023 0:20:01 GMT
It looks like I just forgot to set it at 8 ohm. I thought it would make a 4 ohm load. It was a $30.oo speaker so no biggie
I set up the six by nines in series like in the picture. At first I got it wrong and had to re-do it. I tried it out and it sounded okay for half a minute then went all crazy like a crazy effects pedal. I re-ran the wiring and the same thing happened. I KNEW I had it wired correctly. I pulled apart the speakers to run them with a 4ohm speaker per #1 and another 4 ohm speaker per #2 and got good sound out of it.
EDIT:: I now have two 4 ohm Bose speakers. On for #1 and one for #2. with the switch set to 4 ohm on the amp. This has great sound... but you say it is wrong?
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 4, 2023 0:44:15 GMT
Is Carvin v3 better than Marshall?
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 4, 2023 0:48:26 GMT
SO I broke off the mount on one driver and the tinsel in the other. Ihave some dual voice coil SKAR VD-8 D4 drivers I was going to use for a car speaker box. If I hook up the dual voice coils in series then I will get an 8 ohm load? AND I can't forget to set the amp for 8 ohm... So, I could then use two speakers for #1 and #2 on the output jacks?
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Post by laristotle on Oct 4, 2023 0:51:58 GMT
EDIT:: I now have two 4 ohm Bose speakers. On for #1 and one for #2. with the switch set to 4 ohm on the amp. This has great sound... but you say it is wrong? Understand that the amp's outputs, #'s 1 and 2, are connected internally in parallel. With the switch set to 4 ohm on the amp, the speakers should then be 8 ohms each. (parallel speaker math - 8 ohms divided by 2 speakers = 4 ohms) By using two 4 ohm speakers, you're doing 4 ohms divided by 2 speakers = 2 ohms. That's too low for the amp to work effectively. It'll still work, but as I stated before, may cause possible damage with long term use that way.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 4, 2023 1:05:34 GMT
Thank you. can I wire up 8 ohms from two differnt 4 ohm dual voicecoils? Do I wire them in pairs like in the picture you showed me? What you said is series... wouldn't it work to wire one 4 ohm dual voicecoil in seires with itself like your pictures then have two separate voicecoils per speaker. (thinking I might save the day by throwing more speakers at it...)
I'm disabled (Asperger's Syndroms) Lets see if I can make myself more clear on this.
I have two Dual Voice Coil woofers. THey are 4 ohm on each coil. Can I wire one of these dual voice coil in series with itself? Would that make 8ohm for one woofer? Then could I wire up the second woofer in series with itself and have two woofers?
I hope that last part makes sense. It takes me a bit to get where I might be understood sometimes.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 4, 2023 1:32:30 GMT
SO I broke off the mount on one driver and the tinsel in the other. Ihave some dual voice coil SKAR VD-8 D4 drivers I was going to use for a car speaker box. If I hook up the dual voice coils in series then I will get an 8 ohm load? AND I can't forget to set the amp for 8 ohm... So, I could then use two speakers for #1 and #2 on the output jacks? You're correct in the sense that two 4 ohm speakers hooked up together in series will give you a 8 ohm speaker load with one cable hooked to them. You can only use one speaker cable to one output jack set to 8 ohms. You can't add the other cable to them for the sake of using both speaker jacks because then what you're basically doing is shorting out your amp's output. If this is what you did before that caused the sound to 'warble', then this is why.
If you insist on wanting to use both speaker jacks, 1 and 2, with one cable to one speaker each, then I recommend saving up your money and getting two 8 ohm speakers (preferably guitar speakers, not car audio) and setting your amp to 4 ohms. (parallel speaker math - 8 ohms divided by two speakers = 4 ohms)
They know their shit over there.
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 4, 2023 1:41:24 GMT
SO I broke off the mount on one driver and the tinsel in the other. Ihave some dual voice coil SKAR VD-8 D4 drivers I was going to use for a car speaker box. If I hook up the dual voice coils in series then I will get an 8 ohm load? AND I can't forget to set the amp for 8 ohm... So, I could then use two speakers for #1 and #2 on the output jacks? You're correct in the sense that two 4 ohm speakers hooked up together in series will give you a 8 ohm speaker load with one cable hooked to them. You can only use one speaker cable to one output jack set to 8 ohms. You can't add the other cable to them for the sake of using both speaker jacks because then what you're basically doing is shorting out your amp's output. If this is what you did before that caused the sound to 'warble', then this is why.
If you insist on wanting to use both speaker jacks, 1 and 2, with one cable to one speaker each, then I recommend saving up your money and getting two 8 ohm speakers (preferably guitar speakers, not car audio) and setting your amp to 4 ohms. (parallel speaker math - 8 ohms divided by two speakers = 4 ohms)
They know their shit over there.
Thank you... I can at least get ONE speaker that won't ruin everything. I will try hooking it up tomorrow. (I have to ask my caregiver at my Adult Family Home to let me have my tools.) So, you don't need anything hooked up to #2 on the output side?
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Post by laristotle on Oct 4, 2023 1:51:48 GMT
I googled the wiring diagram for your Skar speaker and yes, you can do that. This would give you two speakers at 8 ohms each which you can then plug in separately into jacks 1 and 2, then set your amp to 4 ohms. You're not just a pretty face after all, eh?!
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Post by laristotle on Oct 4, 2023 1:56:25 GMT
No, you don't need anything plugged into #2. Do me a favour though, before you turn on the power, send me pics of how you hooked everything up so I can see that everything is fine?
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Post by helliondarklord on Oct 4, 2023 2:12:33 GMT
No, you don't need anything plugged into #2. Do me a favour though, before you turn on the power, send me pics of how you hooked everything up so I can see that everything is fine? AWESOME!!!! THANK YOU!!! I will get started tomorro. It is almost time for my medicine and bed time.
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