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Post by stratosphere on Sept 30, 2023 18:22:24 GMT
Hello, Was stitting here listening to Kirk Fletcher wail on a Les Paul, and for what ever reason, got to wondering if Gibson guitars do better in the sustain department, then Fenders with bolt on necks? Is it an individual thing based on quality of materials and craftsmenship only, or does design have an affect? Then I did a search and was surprised to read this... The graph of the sound sample is worth paying atttention to. guitargearfinder.com/guides/guitar-neck-joints/ |
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Post by laristotle on Sept 30, 2023 22:03:28 GMT
Good read. Thanks for that. The below image shows the spectrogram from this study comparing the sustain of all three types of neck joints: The more color you see in the graph (especially yellows and reds), the better the guitar’s sustain.
 here are the results:
Top graph: neck-thru
Middle graph: bolt-on
Bottom graph: set neck
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Post by george on Oct 2, 2023 22:21:04 GMT
Played my Firebird last Friday for the first time in years.
Mainly playing a Broadcaster, LP Standard and ES 335.
The FB was noticeably not as good at holding double stop bends where you bend the G string a full tone and peg the B without bending it. For single note riffs it felt not as lively as the other guitars.
Thinking about it in the context of this post; yeah, it probably doesn’t have as much sustain as the other guitars.
One guitar that surprised the hell out of me was the ES 335 with the t-top pickups; that is one snarly guitar. When I got it I thought great, looks like it belonged to country bob and the flatiron wranglers. The Les Paul has a very dark tone and uses burst boogers instead of t-tops. I don’t know shit about pick ups but the two guitars are really different and 335 cuts real good. I use the 335 and the broadcaster the most. The LP is nice but I think the 335 is more versatile.
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Post by stratosphere on Oct 2, 2023 23:33:04 GMT
You`ve got the bases covered with that collection.
I haven`t owned a Gibson electric...but I ain`t dead yet. I`ve always wanted a 335, and stil do.
Guy down the road wants to flip me my D-18V for a limited run Les paul from 2012...From what I can gather, they are neck and neck market value wise. Still thinking it over. If it was a 335 I think the deal would be done already.
I`m so green I`m just figuring out just how vesitile a strat can be...had an American Standard i bought new. White on white with a maple neck, pretty as a new bride, but it just never grew on me.
Fast forward 7 years.... buy a strat sight unseen(touched up photos) off the internet, get fucked on the price, and then play the thing and find out it fits like a glove.
Guitars are a trip...I wanted to hate the fukin` thing casue I got screwed on it, but nope. It`s a keeper...lol.
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Post by laristotle on Oct 3, 2023 0:03:16 GMT
Sustain would also depend on the density of the wood, maybe?
The guitarist in my band has a few LP's.
Two of them (Signature T and a studio) both have '57 pups in them, but the T sustains longer and has a different feedback level than the studio.
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Post by stratosphere on Oct 3, 2023 13:52:03 GMT
Sustain would also depend on the density of the wood, maybe? The guitarist in my band has a few LP's. Two of them (Signature T and a studio) both have '57 pups in them, but the T sustains longer and has a different feedback level than the studio. I`ve wondered about that too. I have attributed the sustain of my tele to the fact that the neck is torrified maple with an ash body. It dense,dry, hard and heavy, but rings likea bell. I also didn`t rush fitting the neck to the pocket...it`s very tight. Then there are the little things like...how hard is the nut material, break angle etc... The partscaster i`m selling does not have the sustain of my tele or other strat. It`s a much lighter body made from nyatoh. Light as a feather. |
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Post by Bill h on Oct 7, 2023 16:45:41 GMT
Sustain would also depend on the density of the wood, maybe? The guitarist in my band has a few LP's. Two of them (Signature T and a studio) both have '57 pups in them, but the T sustains longer and has a different feedback level than the studio. I`ve wondered about that too. I have attributed the sustain of my tele to the fact that the neck is torrified maple with an ash body. It dense,dry, hard and heavy, but rings likea bell. I also didn`t rush fitting the neck to the pocket...it`s very tight. Then there are the little things like...how hard is the nut material, break angle etc... The partscaster i`m selling does not have the sustain of my tele or other strat. It`s a much lighter body made from nyatoh. Light as a feather. Sustain and wood density go hand in hand. I own several lps, weight relieved, chambered and solid, you can hear vast differences in tone and sustain with each. My 68 reissue custom is solid and the sustain is off the chart. I’ve always felt the tone on lps are one dimensional, different degrees of deep and fat. I play my strat mostly because I think it has more versatility tone wise if your playing a lot of covers, but man, I sure miss the sustain that comes naturally from an lp. |
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Post by laristotle on Oct 7, 2023 17:59:46 GMT
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Post by edwardbloom on Oct 10, 2023 15:32:43 GMT
i don't have any bolt on necks right now, but i did already know they sustain better. however, i think one thing people should keep in mind is, if you're playing rock, sustain only gets you so far. i mean, sure, if you're playing slow melodic solos like pink floyd or something, sustain can be a bigger factor. even then, sustain from the guitar, isn't that important. you can increase the sustain with volume, gain and feedback, and stuff like sustainer pick ups. considering your entire chain, the guitar is not the biggest factor in tone. your speaker (and how you use it) is. after that, it's amp and effects. your guitar is not last, but it's near the bottom of the list.
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Post by stratosphere on Oct 10, 2023 17:14:07 GMT
From the link below ....here`s something that never crossed my mind. prosoundhq.com/9-ways-to-improve-the-sustain-on-your-electric-guitar/"The height of your pickups can dramatically impact the amount of sustain you get. A lot of players tend to have pretty high pickups, meaning they’re much closer to the strings. The idea behind this, is that it increases the output from your pickups.
However, higher pickups lead to less sustain.
This is because your pickups contain magnets which create a magnetic field that interacts with the strings. If the pickups are too close to the strings, then the magnets can pull them too strongly, causing them to stop vibrating for as long. This leads to less sustain, because the string is not allowed to vibrate for a longer amount of time." |
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Post by george on Oct 16, 2023 1:25:39 GMT
I didn’t quite like the neck pick up on my 50s standard LP so I lowered it about 1 1/2 turns on the screws and it sounded more creamy. Not sure if it resulted in more sustain but it definitely sounds better to me at least.
I always thought the LP was supposed to be the sustain monster but both the LP and the broadcaster are sitting on stands and if I do a strum across the third fret on both of them the fender seems to sustain longer. Maybe it’s one of the stands that has more sustain…lol
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