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Post by Colchar on Apr 24, 2022 2:24:01 GMT
I have a 1978 Traynor YGL3 Mark III (for those who aren’t familiar with it, those are their version of the Twin Reverb but with master volumes to make the sound levels controllable). It is currently with a local amp tech (Rob from Redex Amps for those who are familiar with him). He has taken a look at it and thinks it needs a little work, as well as a full cap job for which he recommends Sprague Atom series caps. The total cost for the work would be $460.
I paid $650 for the amp and cannot decide whether to put the extra money into it or not. Are these amps worth the $1100 I’d be into the amp for after the repairs? Should I get the work done, or just sell it on and hope to get as much of my $650 back as I can?
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Post by laristotle on Apr 24, 2022 10:55:52 GMT
Sell. Cut your losses now.
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Post by markr on Apr 24, 2022 13:27:12 GMT
You know I walked away from repairing an 80’s Marshall and a Peavey Triumph 60 that I really loved to play. At that time in my life these amps defined my playing. I wish I had never let these go, I was just broke at the time. If you can afford it and like this amp I would consider doing the upgrade.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Apr 24, 2022 14:30:38 GMT
So what's it not doing?
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Post by Colchar on Apr 24, 2022 15:38:16 GMT
It is making some noises - crackling, a helicopter rotor turning type noise (pulsing I guess is a better way to say it), etc. Someone on another forum suggested a good and inexpensive local guy so I will take it to him for a second opinion. If it can be put in proper working order for little money then it is worth keeping, if not then it should be moved on.
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Post by laristotle on Apr 25, 2022 15:55:16 GMT
If you want to replace it, there's a '72 in Woodstock for $500.
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Post by edwardbloom on Apr 25, 2022 20:59:36 GMT
for me, it's less about the value of the amp, and more about what the amp does for you. if you can get what that amp does for you (for sure, and not just hoping) from something new to you, then that's what i would recommend. but if you think you'll be missing something important to what pleases you, think about fixing it. if you don't fix it, still keep it. you know you like that speaker/cab. it may come in handy in the future. what would make me nervous is the possibility that when you get the repaired amp back, the new caps change the character of the amp. tbh, i don't know if that's even a thing. i would ask about that.
what i do know is, i had a cheap ss. amp once, and a guy from the forum modded it for me. he said he only changed one pot and a couple of caps. when i got it back, the amp improved dramatically. in fact, i have a buddy who still owns it.
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Post by bzrkrage on Apr 26, 2022 14:30:25 GMT
Where are you Colchar? Call Traynor, (Pickering ON) they have a tech there that should help.
As for worth, if you can’t use it now, it’s worth nothing.
Fix it, aske you test the caps first, they may not need replacement. Just cause it’s old don’t mean their bad.
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Post by highdeaf on Apr 26, 2022 16:15:34 GMT
I would consider the larger market picture. This amp will never be as valuable or desirable as a Twin or an AC30. And it's heavy (a minus) and 120 watts (another minus, in this day and age). These trends aren't reversing, they are continuing on and increasing.
If you really like the amp, I would put the money into it and use it until it's done. But if you expect to get your money out of it afterwards, I would try and get my money back now.
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Post by Colchar on Apr 26, 2022 17:20:42 GMT
Where are you Colchar? Call Traynor, (Pickering ON) they have a tech there that should help. As for worth, if you can’t use it now, it’s worth nothing. Fix it, aske you test the caps first, they may not need replacement. Just cause it’s old don’t mean their bad. I was originally going to send it to Traynor, but they are so backed up due to staff shortages during Covid that they are currently only taking in stuff that L&M has sold. Or at least that was the case a couple of months ago. But there is another possibility, see my post below.
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Post by Colchar on Apr 26, 2022 17:26:05 GMT
There is another option that I am considering.
This is only a secondary amp. I have an Orange AD30 that ain't going anywhere. I made the mistake of getting rid of on once before, and I won't make that mistake again.
So as I said, the Traynor is a secondary amp. It has master volumes so the overall volume is controllable, but late summer or during the fall I will be moving and most likely into a townhouse. Since I won't be in a fully detached house any more, I will have to consider noise levels.
So what I am thinking of doing is selling the Traynor and getting whatever money I can for it to cut my losses. I will then buy an FRFR speaker, and use the amp models in my Boss GT-100. That will get my feet wet with amp modelling, and if I am happy with the sounds from the Boss I can stick with it. If not, there are other units available that can be had used from L&M for very good prices (I checked yesterday). This way I will have something that I can use to get any guitar tone I want, from clean to cranked, but at any volume level I want - even down to low TV or conversation volume if necessary. I can be a bit of a technophobe and don't want to get into IRs and shit like that, but I don't have to use those to get decent sounds from a modeller, I can just use cab sims.
Technophobia aside, to me this plan makes more sense than using a monster like the Traynor.
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Post by Colchar on Apr 26, 2022 17:26:47 GMT
If you want to replace it, there's a '72 in Woodstock for $500. That's the beast. That is tempting, but see my post above for my latest thinking.
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Post by highdeaf on Apr 29, 2022 14:21:37 GMT
I can't recommend highly enough a modeler for home use. The learning curve is steep and significant, but the payoff is forever. Headphones or small FRFR (studio monitors or PA) and you have a great low-volume solution. And double-damn, it's also a great home recording solution.
I also believe a larger powered FRFR or a power amp / guitar cab (with cabinet emulation or IR's turned off) is a great live solution. I have amps I haven't even turned on in a couple of years. It's probably time I sold them because I'm pretty sure digital amps will be in my arsenal and get my primary use for the rest of my playing days.
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Post by Colchar on Apr 30, 2022 3:27:42 GMT
I can't recommend highly enough a modeler for home use. The learning curve is steep and significant, but the payoff is forever. Headphones or small FRFR (studio monitors or PA) and you have a great low-volume solution. And double-damn, it's also a great home recording solution. I also believe a larger powered FRFR or a power amp / guitar cab (with cabinet emulation or IR's turned off) is a great live solution. I have amps I haven't even turned on in a couple of years. It's probably time I sold them because I'm pretty sure digital amps will be in my arsenal and get my primary use for the rest of my playing days. I am torn between a modeller and a studio monitor, or a low watt lunchbox amp that can be scaled down such as a Vox Night Train or an Orange Rocker 15 Terror (15, 7, 1, or 0.5 watts).
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Post by Bill h on Apr 30, 2022 22:23:15 GMT
I can't recommend highly enough a modeler for home use. The learning curve is steep and significant, but the payoff is forever. Headphones or small FRFR (studio monitors or PA) and you have a great low-volume solution. And double-damn, it's also a great home recording solution. I also believe a larger powered FRFR or a power amp / guitar cab (with cabinet emulation or IR's turned off) is a great live solution. I have amps I haven't even turned on in a couple of years. It's probably time I sold them because I'm pretty sure digital amps will be in my arsenal and get my primary use for the rest of my playing days. Agreed here, modelers are great for home use. I use the presets mostly but I know from fooling with around with it you could get an awesome sound if you take the time to learn the amp thru and thru. Way back in the day I bought an old line six flextone and that’s what got me started on them. Right now I’m using a fender mustang combo, I like it and it suits what I’m doing, user friendly as well. I’ve even taken it out to a couple open mics, it worked out great.
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Post by edwardbloom on May 1, 2022 11:22:39 GMT
I can't recommend highly enough a modeler for home use. The learning curve is steep and significant, but the payoff is forever. Headphones or small FRFR (studio monitors or PA) and you have a great low-volume solution. And double-damn, it's also a great home recording solution. I also believe a larger powered FRFR or a power amp / guitar cab (with cabinet emulation or IR's turned off) is a great live solution. I have amps I haven't even turned on in a couple of years. It's probably time I sold them because I'm pretty sure digital amps will be in my arsenal and get my primary use for the rest of my playing days. I am torn between a modeller and a studio monitor, or a low watt lunchbox amp that can be scaled down such as a Vox Night Train or an Orange Rocker 15 Terror (15, 7, 1, or 0.5 watts). i had a nite train. it was a good sounding amp if you don't mind not having a loop. i sold mine because it blew a transformer. it was still under warranty, so i took it back to L&M. they gave me a new one, but the tech told me they got so many returns for the transformers, if he had a nickle for every one they replaced... he recommended i sell the new one before that one blew as well. i took his advice.
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Post by Colchar on May 1, 2022 15:22:21 GMT
I am torn between a modeller and a studio monitor, or a low watt lunchbox amp that can be scaled down such as a Vox Night Train or an Orange Rocker 15 Terror (15, 7, 1, or 0.5 watts). i had a nite train. it was a good sounding amp if you don't mind not having a loop. i sold mine because it blew a transformer. it was still under warranty, so i took it back to L&M. they gave me a new one, but the tech told me they got so many returns for the transformers, if he had a nickle for every one they replaced... he recommended i sell the new one before that one blew as well. i took his advice. I had a L'il Night Train and that was a fun little amp, but I never tried a full NT except for a few minutes here and there in stores. I am leaning more towards the modelling idea. I can use my GT-100 to get my feet wet, knowing that the amp models aren't great. And the assistant manager at my local L&M told me they would give me a studio monitor for a week so that I could try things out so it will cost me nothing to at least try a modeller.
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Post by laristotle on May 1, 2022 15:34:34 GMT
I have a Boss Katana 100 MK I (100/50/0.5 watts) that I haven't used since I bought it when they came out. Got it more as a novelty. Spent more time fiddling with it on the computer, tweaking the effects, than actually playing through it. lol Been considering selling it for a while now. Have the GA-FC and an expression pedal too.
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Post by Colchar on May 1, 2022 17:27:07 GMT
I have a Boss Katana 100 MK I (100/50/0.5 watts) that I haven't used since I bought it when they came out. Got it more as a novelty. Spent more time fiddling with it on the computer, tweaking the effects, than actually playing through it. lol Been considering selling it for a while now. Have the GA-FC and an expression pedal too. That is my worry too.
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Post by edwardbloom on May 1, 2022 19:14:55 GMT
I have a Boss Katana 100 MK I (100/50/0.5 watts) that I haven't used since I bought it when they came out. Got it more as a novelty. Spent more time fiddling with it on the computer, tweaking the effects, than actually playing through it. lol Been considering selling it for a while now. Have the GA-FC and an expression pedal too. that's the exact reason i sold my pitchfactor, and the multi fx that i had. it's why i haven't bought an h9 or a strymon timeline. with the pitchfactor, it was nothing to spend 3 hours making weird noises, and not actually make any music
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Post by Colchar on May 2, 2022 3:48:39 GMT
I've been reading up on modellers today and think that I need to get over my technopobia and embrace their versatility. Once patches are set up I could go from EVH tones, to Priest, to pristine cleans, to country, to blues, to Zeppelin, to whatever else I wanted simply by clicking a button.
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Post by allthumbs56 on May 2, 2022 18:38:25 GMT
I have discarded two amps in my life. A Silvertone 1484 and a Garnet Pro. I would give my left nut to have either back. The 1484 needed a power transformer and the Garnet needed new tubes. At the time the 1484 just wasn't worth it. The tech at Ostanek's (now L&M) told me that tubes were dead technology and I could buy a super-duper, shiny solid state deal for less than the price of the tubes. My buddy tossed the Silvertown. The Garnet? Well, I remember clear as day tossing her off the back of my dad's 68 GMC onto the heap at the dump (when you actually used to drive in yourself). She sailed through the air in a lovely arc and made a great smashing noise.
The lesson? Don't throw the Traynor out - somebody will love it.
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Post by Colchar on May 2, 2022 23:47:09 GMT
I have discarded two amps in my life. A Silvertone 1484 and a Garnet Pro. I would give my left nut to have either back. The 1484 needed a power transformer and the Garnet needed new tubes. At the time the 1484 just wasn't worth it. The tech at Ostanek's (now L&M) told me that tubes were dead technology and I could buy a super-duper, shiny solid state deal for less than the price of the tubes. My buddy tossed the Silvertown. The Garnet? Well, I remember clear as day tossing her off the back of my dad's 68 GMC onto the heap at the dump (when you actually used to drive in yourself). She sailed through the air in a lovely arc and made a great smashing noise. The lesson? Don't throw the Traynor out - somebody will love it. Oh I wouldn't chuck it out, I would sell it on. Since I don't need the money, if space isn't at a premium I could always keep the Traynor for later when I move out of the townhouse.
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Post by markr on May 4, 2022 11:01:14 GMT
I can't recommend highly enough a modeler for home use. The learning curve is steep and significant, but the payoff is forever. Headphones or small FRFR (studio monitors or PA) and you have a great low-volume solution. And double-damn, it's also a great home recording solution. I also believe a larger powered FRFR or a power amp / guitar cab (with cabinet emulation or IR's turned off) is a great live solution. I have amps I haven't even turned on in a couple of years. It's probably time I sold them because I'm pretty sure digital amps will be in my arsenal and get my primary use for the rest of my playing days. I am torn between a modeller and a studio monitor, or a low watt lunchbox amp that can be scaled down such as a Vox Night Train or an Orange Rocker 15 Terror (15, 7, 1, or 0.5 watts). I recently picked up a Quilter Superblock UK that I can run directly into the board and have a 1x12 powered by a 25 watt amp. Wow, this little pedal size amp is amazing. For the most part I play through headphones while herself watches TV in the room below an open loft. I like it so much I may pick up the US version. I would like to try it jamming with a drummer and bass player. It hurts my ears at 12 o’clock so it might cut it in a band situation. If not use a Pa to pick it up. Comes with reverb, compressor and effects loop. I still wouldn’t mind a Vox NT for shites and giggles, missed out on one for $250 recently. you have that Orange if you want to kick it up. I would still repair the Traynor!
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Post by highdeaf on May 4, 2022 16:10:10 GMT
I am torn between a modeller and a studio monitor, or a low watt lunchbox amp that can be scaled down such as a Vox Night Train or an Orange Rocker 15 Terror (15, 7, 1, or 0.5 watts). i had a nite train. it was a good sounding amp if you don't mind not having a loop. i sold mine because it blew a transformer. it was still under warranty, so i took it back to L&M. they gave me a new one, but the tech told me they got so many returns for the transformers, if he had a nickle for every one they replaced... he recommended i sell the new one before that one blew as well. i took his advice.
I never heard that. Good to know.
I had one for a few years and drove the crap out of it. Including one night running it cranked into a 4 ohm Marshall 412 (mislabeled jack) on the 16 ohm tap of the amp. Got so hot I coulda fried eggs on the pretty chrome case. Cooled it off and it kept on going. For years after. I unloaded it because my Mesa TA15 was a better amp, tone and flexibility-wise.
But I've never busted a Gibson headstock either. And I've owned a lot of Gibsons.
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Post by edwardbloom on May 4, 2022 21:55:12 GMT
i had a nite train. it was a good sounding amp if you don't mind not having a loop. i sold mine because it blew a transformer. it was still under warranty, so i took it back to L&M. they gave me a new one, but the tech told me they got so many returns for the transformers, if he had a nickle for every one they replaced... he recommended i sell the new one before that one blew as well. i took his advice.
I never heard that. Good to know.
I had one for a few years and drove the crap out of it. Including one night running it cranked into a 4 ohm Marshall 412 (mislabeled jack) on the 16 ohm tap of the amp. Got so hot I coulda fried eggs on the pretty chrome case. Cooled it off and it kept on going. For years after. I unloaded it because my Mesa TA15 was a better amp, tone and flexibility-wise.
But I've never busted a Gibson headstock either. And I've owned a lot of Gibsons.
i never pushed my nite train at all. i was living in an apt. but i'm not saying it didn't sound good, it sure did. i have heard some tales about how fragile gibby headstocks are, but i have been lucky. my LP only fell over a few times in the past 8 years, and has been just fine. the explorer fell off the stand once, and fell over in the rehearsal studio once but no damage. i ain't trying to continually test it though
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Post by highdeaf on May 9, 2022 19:32:07 GMT
I never heard that. Good to know.
I had one for a few years and drove the crap out of it. Including one night running it cranked into a 4 ohm Marshall 412 (mislabeled jack) on the 16 ohm tap of the amp. Got so hot I coulda fried eggs on the pretty chrome case. Cooled it off and it kept on going. For years after. I unloaded it because my Mesa TA15 was a better amp, tone and flexibility-wise.
But I've never busted a Gibson headstock either. And I've owned a lot of Gibsons.
i never pushed my nite train at all. i was living in an apt. but i'm not saying it didn't sound good, it sure did. i have heard some tales about how fragile gibby headstocks are, but i have been lucky. my LP only fell over a few times in the past 8 years, and has been just fine. the explorer fell off the stand once, and fell over in the rehearsal studio once but no damage. i ain't trying to continually test it though
I really liked my NiteTrain. Not very 'Voxy' but a good British crunch amp. I didn't know anything about the problems some people had with them.
I wished the voicing switch (Thick?) was remote-able but the levels between the two voices were pretty drastic. I much preferred it to the more popular Orange lunchbox that I compared it with when I bought it. But the Mesa has a footswitch and lots more tonal range - and I only needed one amp in that class.
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Post by Colchar on May 22, 2022 20:13:19 GMT
i never pushed my nite train at all. i was living in an apt. but i'm not saying it didn't sound good, it sure did. i have heard some tales about how fragile gibby headstocks are, but i have been lucky. my LP only fell over a few times in the past 8 years, and has been just fine. the explorer fell off the stand once, and fell over in the rehearsal studio once but no damage. i ain't trying to continually test it though I really liked my NiteTrain. Not very 'Voxy' but a good British crunch amp. I didn't know anything about the problems some people had with them. I wished the voicing switch (Thick?) was remote-able but the levels between the two voices were pretty drastic. I much preferred it to the more popular Orange lunchbox that I compared it with when I bought it. But the Mesa has a footswitch and lots more tonal range - and I only needed one amp in that class.
My favourite amp is the Orange AD30. I like the Rocker 15 Terror well enough too, but I've never liked either the Tiny Terror or the OR15 both of which are incredibly popular. Funnily enough, I do like the Dual Terror a bit.
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Post by edwardbloom on May 23, 2022 5:15:41 GMT
I really liked my NiteTrain. Not very 'Voxy' but a good British crunch amp. I didn't know anything about the problems some people had with them. I wished the voicing switch (Thick?) was remote-able but the levels between the two voices were pretty drastic. I much preferred it to the more popular Orange lunchbox that I compared it with when I bought it. But the Mesa has a footswitch and lots more tonal range - and I only needed one amp in that class.
My favourite amp is the Orange AD30. I like the Rocker 15 Terror well enough too, but I've never liked either the Tiny Terror or the OR15 both of which are incredibly popular. Funnily enough, I do like the Dual Terror a bit. my buddy has a tiny terror dark. it's ok, but it doesn't do much for me. the only other ones i've played are the rockverb, and the th50. i liked the th50 but i think the 4x10 it sat on was a factor
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Post by Colchar on Jun 8, 2022 3:18:34 GMT
I still haven't grabbed this amp back from the tech. In the meantime, I experimented with modelers but they aren't for me so instead I picked up a Traynor YCV50 Blue to go along with the Orange AD30.
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