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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 7:22:43 GMT
It wouldn't be a normal change-of-time day if we didn't have a bitch thread. I know opinions are pretty varied about the time change, but pretty much everyone has some issues with sleep or some other aspect of their day.
British Columbia's been sitting on the fence, but ultimately deferred changing the time zone policy until the western US states are ready to do something. So, we went back to Pacific Standard Time early this morning. Pretty easy for me to deal with, being retired, but I know it's a bit more of an issue for people who work.
I'm just glad that there hasn't been a decision to declare permanent Daylight Savings Time. I've heard discussion of that, and it strikes me as a real bonehead idea.
Let the games begin....What do you guys think?
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Post by johnreardon on Nov 8, 2021 10:29:12 GMT
We changed 2 weeks ago, so we are now on Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). We did a trial, many years ago, of not having British Summer Time (BST), when the clocks go forward one hour. However, apparently the farmers objected so we still go back and forward. I would prefer to stick with GMT. Attachments:
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Post by laristotle on Nov 8, 2021 10:54:59 GMT
Why not adjust just a half hour and leave it at that?
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Post by Die Bullen on Nov 8, 2021 12:41:17 GMT
Personally I like DST because in the winter it gets dark really early here- around 4:30 PM in December.
I didn't have any issues with DST this time- in fact it worked to my advantage because Saturday night we were out really late and when I got up at 8.30 Sunday morning, it was really 9.30, so I didn't feel like I spent half the day in bed. It was weird waking up for work today- I woke up early but could stay in bed for what felt like a long time.
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Post by stratosphere on Nov 8, 2021 12:57:10 GMT
I`ve read that the change causes problems annually. I haven`t read where it`s an advantage to anyone at this point in time, so I think it should be relegated to the past.
We co-ordnate different time zones around the world into our business and social plans, so why can`t we do the same around this nonsensical event? Co-ordination between neighboring states and provinces is the only defense I`ve heard that keeps this event ticking...
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Post by infant on Nov 9, 2021 0:14:36 GMT
The only real problem is with the springtime change when people lose an hour of sleep. However, it never has bothered me.
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Post by Bill h on Nov 9, 2021 0:19:14 GMT
I fly into different time zones several times a year, daylight saving time isn’t even a blip on my radar.
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Post by Die Bullen on Nov 9, 2021 12:11:25 GMT
All I can say is I feel like I cheated "the man" again after waking up at 6 and realizing I could spend another 45 minutes in bed!
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Post by allthumbs56 on Nov 9, 2021 14:22:23 GMT
Hate going home in the dark
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Post by Colchar on Nov 9, 2021 19:42:34 GMT
Why not adjust just a half hour and leave it at that? Because that would make waaaaaaaay too much fucking sense.
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Post by Colchar on Nov 9, 2021 19:43:27 GMT
I prefer it when the clocks fall back. I am a night owl and am not a morning person, so I like time falling back. I always feel better in the winter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 6:54:34 GMT
The comment I'm hearing from a lot of people is that it's nice when it's light in the morning. Some of it's related to stuff like it's easier to see kids who are on their way to school, but I'm guessing a certain amount of it just being a natural circadian reflex.....It's just natural to get up when it's light and you're less likely to feel sleep-deprived.
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Post by zontar on Nov 11, 2021 7:58:34 GMT
I'd prefer to stay on one or the other--& keep that year round
While in some ways it's nice to have that extra hour in the fall, the hour lost in the spring sucks.
And both mess me up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 20:51:46 GMT
I hate the process of resetting clocks. I still need to dig out the manual for my phone and find out what I'm doing wrong....I've rest that damn thing four times, and it keeps reverting to DST. And then there's the car clock - In the spring, I just lived with it for months on the old time and only got it reset to DST in September. I really miss analog.
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Post by johnreardon on Nov 19, 2021 10:24:12 GMT
I hate the process of resetting clocks. I still need to dig out the manual for my phone and find out what I'm doing wrong....I've rest that damn thing four times, and it keeps reverting to DST. And then there's the car clock - In the spring, I just lived with it for months on the old time and only got it reset to DST in September. I really miss analog. Not sure what phone you have, but mine, an old iPhone7, is easy. Just choose 'Set Automatically' and it sets the timezone as well. Never been wrong, even when I traveled abroad
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Post by Die Bullen on Nov 19, 2021 10:52:48 GMT
I hate the process of resetting clocks. I still need to dig out the manual for my phone and find out what I'm doing wrong....I've rest that damn thing four times, and it keeps reverting to DST. And then there's the car clock - In the spring, I just lived with it for months on the old time and only got it reset to DST in September. I really miss analog. Not sure what phone you have, but mine, an old iPhone7, is easy. Just choose 'Set Automatically' and it sets the timezone as well. Never been wrong, even when I traveled abroad Mine does it automatically. Search through settings, Ken- there has to be a setting for that
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Post by infant on Nov 19, 2021 14:21:27 GMT
On my Tucson and my daughters Mazda 3, there is a “check box” on the display for DST. My phone, tablets and computer all change automatically. I’ve never set any of them up that way. Even 20 years ago when I had my first flip phone, I don’t ever recall having to change the time as it was something done thru the phone service provider.
my alarm clock has a DST switch on the back of it but I can also sync it with my iPod.
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Post by highdeaf on Nov 19, 2021 14:21:40 GMT
The comment I'm hearing from a lot of people is that it's nice when it's light in the morning. Some of it's related to stuff like it's easier to see kids who are on their way to school, but I'm guessing a certain amount of it just being a natural circadian reflex.....It's just natural to get up when it's light and you're less likely to feel sleep-deprived.
That's what I hear too. But I'd rather have sunlight later in the evening than in the morning. In winter, if kids are going to school with daylight, they are coming home at dusk (or possibly dark, if they have after-school activities). So they get it one way or the other.
If we don't got to DST in the summer, our sun is coming up at 4 AM and going down at 8:30-ish. With DST, the sun is coming up at 5 AM and going down 9:30-ish, much more useful, having daylight in the evening IME. In the winter if we had DST, the sun would be coming up at around 8:30 AM and going down at 5, instead of the 7:30 and 4 we get with standard time.
I'd prefer to just switch to DST all the time. But a few scientists (at least the ones that get play in the media) tell us this will screw up our circadian rhythms if we do this. Didn't we already accomplish that with time zones? Maybe we should just do away with those and let every region do what it wants. That would be fun for airlines (among others).
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Post by infant on Nov 19, 2021 14:40:44 GMT
The comment I'm hearing from a lot of people is that it's nice when it's light in the morning. Some of it's related to stuff like it's easier to see kids who are on their way to school, but I'm guessing a certain amount of it just being a natural circadian reflex.....It's just natural to get up when it's light and you're less likely to feel sleep-deprived.
That's what I hear too. But I'd rather have sunlight later in the evening than in the morning. In winter, if kids are going to school with daylight, they are coming home at dusk (or possibly dark, if they have after-school activities). So they get it one way or the other.
If we don't got to DST in the summer, our sun is coming up at 4 AM and going down at 8:30-ish. With DST, the sun is coming up at 5 AM and going down 9:30-ish, much more useful, having daylight in the evening IME. In the winter if we had DST, the sun would be coming up at around 8:30 AM and going down at 5, instead of the 7:30 and 4 we get with standard time.
I'd prefer to just switch to DST all the time. But a few scientists (at least the ones that get play in the media) tell us this will screw up our circadian rhythms if we do this. Didn't we already accomplish that with time zones? Maybe we should just do away with those and let every region do what it wants. That would be fun for airlines (among others).
Once our bodies adjust to the time change, our Circadian rhythm will adjust as well. It currently does this twice a year. However, if we change to DST permanently, it only has to adjust one last time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 17:31:15 GMT
Not sure what phone you have, but mine, an old iPhone7, is easy. Just choose 'Set Automatically' and it sets the timezone as well. Never been wrong, even when I traveled abroad Mine does it automatically. Search through settings, Ken- there has to be a setting for that My phone used to make the switch between standard and daylight savings time....But, because someone (Government?) tampered with the date the time changed by two weeks, it didn't make the switch on the correct date. Also, when the SIM card failed in my phone, the time zeroed and needed to be reset.
I've gone through the process multiple times and it will show that I've reset it to the correct time, but as soon as I close the flip lid, it loses the reset time and reverts back to what it was before I reset it. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong....I successfully set it to the correct date and it holds that setting, but won't do it for the time setting. The Telus store is no help at all....They just want to sell me a smart phone so they aren't helpful as far as making my flip phone work properly. I guess I'm going to need to delve into the phone's manual, although I'm not looking forward to it - It's about 400 pages and finding anything is really tough, and then it's a question of translating the Chinglish instructions into something I can understand.
The car radio's clock is a bit easier, although it's a lot tougher than they used to be. I worked as a car stereo installer for years, and every year it was the same thing - For about a week, every time the time changed, I had customers coming in to have me adjust the time on their car stereos. That was a lot more straightforward, because the process was more intuitive. The radio in the Nissan I've got now makes it tougher than it has to be, but if I look through the manual for the car (which I've got stored online, so it's bigger and easier to read) I'll eventually get it.
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Post by Die Bullen on Nov 19, 2021 20:16:24 GMT
Mine does it automatically. Search through settings, Ken- there has to be a setting for that My phone used to make the switch between standard and daylight savings time....But, because someone (Government?) tampered with the date the time changed by two weeks, it didn't make the switch on the correct date. Also, when the SIM card failed in my phone, the time zeroed and needed to be reset.
I've gone through the process multiple times and it will show that I've reset it to the correct time, but as soon as I close the flip lid, it loses the reset time and reverts back to what it was before I reset it. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong....I successfully set it to the correct date and it holds that setting, but won't do it for the time setting. The Telus store is no help at all....They just want to sell me a smart phone so they aren't helpful as far as making my flip phone work properly. I guess I'm going to need to delve into the phone's manual, although I'm not looking forward to it - It's about 400 pages and finding anything is really tough, and then it's a question of translating the Chinglish instructions into something I can understand.
The car radio's clock is a bit easier, although it's a lot tougher than they used to be. I worked as a car stereo installer for years, and every year it was the same thing - For about a week, every time the time changed, I had customers coming in to have me adjust the time on their car stereos. That was a lot more straightforward, because the process was more intuitive. The radio in the Nissan I've got now makes it tougher than it has to be, but if I look through the manual for the car (which I've got stored online, so it's bigger and easier to read) I'll eventually get it.
Truth is this is no different than the issues you are having with your computer with Windows 7- once these things are declared "end of life" nobody wants to support them any more and it will become more and more difficult to get help with them... A family friend of ours was on a flip phone too and the carrier sent her a new phone recently and said, "this is your new phone from now on- the other one won't work anymore." Of course that doesn't help you with DST not working- I wonder if it thinks you are in the wrong time zone.
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Post by Die Bullen on Nov 19, 2021 20:20:13 GMT
The comment I'm hearing from a lot of people is that it's nice when it's light in the morning. Some of it's related to stuff like it's easier to see kids who are on their way to school, but I'm guessing a certain amount of it just being a natural circadian reflex.....It's just natural to get up when it's light and you're less likely to feel sleep-deprived.
That's what I hear too. But I'd rather have sunlight later in the evening than in the morning. In winter, if kids are going to school with daylight, they are coming home at dusk (or possibly dark, if they have after-school activities). So they get it one way or the other.
If we don't got to DST in the summer, our sun is coming up at 4 AM and going down at 8:30-ish. With DST, the sun is coming up at 5 AM and going down 9:30-ish, much more useful, having daylight in the evening IME. In the winter if we had DST, the sun would be coming up at around 8:30 AM and going down at 5, instead of the 7:30 and 4 we get with standard time.
I'd prefer to just switch to DST all the time. But a few scientists (at least the ones that get play in the media) tell us this will screw up our circadian rhythms if we do this. Didn't we already accomplish that with time zones? Maybe we should just do away with those and let every region do what it wants. That would be fun for airlines (among others).
Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue if we hadn't standardized time zones? The History of the Standardization of Time Zones In 1878, Canadian Sir Sandford Fleming proposed the system of worldwide time zones that we use today. He recommended that the world be divided into twenty-four time zones, each spaced 15 degrees of longitude apart. Since the earth rotates once every 24 hours and there are 360 degrees of longitude, each hour the earth rotates one-twenty-fourth of a circle or 15 degrees of longitude. Sir Fleming's time zones were heralded as a brilliant solution to a chaotic problem worldwide. United States railroad companies began utilizing Fleming's standard time zones on November 18, 1883. In 1884 an International Prime Meridian Conference was held in Washington D.C. to standardize time and select the prime meridian. The conference selected the longitude of Greenwich, England as zero degrees longitude and established the 24 time zones based on the prime meridian. Although the time zones had been established, not all countries switched immediately. Though most U.S. states began to adhere to the Pacific, Mountain, Central, and Eastern time zones by 1895, Congress didn't make the use of these time zones mandatory until the Standard Time Act of 1918.
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Post by zontar on Nov 20, 2021 22:01:13 GMT
Most of ou clocks update automatically--but I can see that as an issue on older phones.
I also would prefer the list at the end of the day. Even without DST there are times you get up & it's dark--or at least that works that way in my life.
The only drawback I can see for DST is that kids sometimes have to go to bed when he sun is still up
I hated that as a kid. And it can suck for parents as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 2:13:20 GMT
Finally managed to figure out how to set the time on my cell phone. That only took a week....
I ronically, I never did find out how to do it from the LG owners manual....I happened to find it online in an excerpt from something gave AT&T gave their customers.
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