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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 19:14:40 GMT
I've always had the hots for a Roland JC120, and I'm wondering if there's a chance I might be able to do a trade to acquire one. I'd be willing to swap my 1970 Twin head which is freshly retubed and my Altec Lansing 15" 418 cabinet for one. I'm interested in your reactions to the idea and your thoughts on whether you think it's a realistic expectation that I might be able to trade straight across.
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Post by infant on Oct 6, 2021 3:36:29 GMT
I think it all depends on whether you can find someone looking for a twin reverb that has a JC-120 to trade. You can always put feelers out there on Kijiji and Facebook Marketplace.
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Post by zontar on Oct 6, 2021 5:58:04 GMT
I've always had the hots for a Roland JC120, and I'm wondering if there's a chance I might be able to do a trade to acquire one. I'd be willing to swap my 1970 Twin head which is freshly retubed and my Altec Lansing 15" 418 cabinet for one. I'm interested in your reactions to the idea and your thoughts on whether you think it's a realistic expectation that I might be able to trade straight across. Definitely agree with infant--find the right person--sure. As for the JC120--great amps--a bit bigger than what I need/want--but cool amps. I have a JC60 that was my main amp for many years. Took it to many jams & stuff. Some would see it & sneer or at least question it. And after we played, even if they didn't like my playing, many loved my tone--with the JC 60 & a Boss DS-1. Back then a 120 would have been nice to have for some extra volume & the faux stereo chorus. But now it would be too big physically & louder than I need. I once missed a great deal on a sued one by a few minutes. Wasn't meant to be. I've considered selling my JC60, but then I play it, and --no, I'm keeping it. |
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Post by Die Bullen on Oct 6, 2021 9:56:50 GMT
I've always had the hots for a Roland JC120, and I'm wondering if there's a chance I might be able to do a trade to acquire one. I'd be willing to swap my 1970 Twin head which is freshly retubed and my Altec Lansing 15" 418 cabinet for one. I'm interested in your reactions to the idea and your thoughts on whether you think it's a realistic expectation that I might be able to trade straight across. A lot of this will come down to condition too. From a pure collector perspective I think a tube Fender has probably had an edge on a ss Roland, but both are fine amps. A friend of mine has a JC 120. He's a jazz player and considers it to be the gold standard for jazz. Although many years have passed since he's bought his and there are a lot more choices nowadays |
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Post by infant on Oct 6, 2021 14:20:20 GMT
A buddy of mine who plays a bit of everything, but mainly jazz, always thought that the JC 120 was incredible for jazz and clean country but always felt it to be a bit too sterile sounding for any type of rock, even with pedals in front of it.
The clean channel on the Boss Katana that I own is said to be modelled after the JC120 and even though Roland makes both those amps, speakers and cabinet size also play a big part in the sound.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 16:57:14 GMT
I've never cared about the power of the JC120 from a standpoint of guitar, but I felt that 120 watts would satisfy what I felt I needed to use it for bass (with an appropriate bass speaker cabinet). Many years ago, I rented a room to a friend who owned a Twin Reverb, and he brought home a JC120 on trial from a music store. I was most impressed with how it sounded and thought it was something I'd like to own someday.
I'm a bit troubled by the weight, which is comparable to a Twin Reverb combo amp. If I did manage to make a trade into a JC120, I'd probably build a head cabinet for it, as I've done with my Twin. Looking online, I see a head-only version of the Roland, but they seem to be fairly rare and sell for big bucks, so I decided I'd settle for a JC120 combo amp. I'd even trade my Fender head and Altec Lansing cabinet for a JC120 combo with no speakers.
About three years ago, there was a mint JC120 with a road cabinet for sale locally for 800.00 - I didn't realize at the time what a deal that was and I should have jumped at the chance to own one then. I know now that there's a limited possibility that I'll find someone within driving distance that has a JC120 and is interested in trading, but I've been thinking that, with Facebook Marketplace being so active in musical gear sales, it's worth a try.
Mostly wanted to know what you thought of the idea...Whether it was close enough to equivalent value that I should be thinking about it, and whether it's possible that a Roland owner might consider it.
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Post by Die Bullen on Oct 6, 2021 18:26:41 GMT
I've never cared about the power of the JC120 from a standpoint of guitar, but I felt that 120 watts would satisfy what I felt I needed to use it for bass (with an appropriate bass speaker cabinet). Many years ago, I rented a room to a friend who owned a Twin Reverb, and he brought home a JC120 on trial from a music store. I was most impressed with how it sounded and thought it was something I'd like to own someday. I'm a bit troubled by the weight, which is comparable to a Twin Reverb combo amp. If I did manage to make a trade into a JC120, I'd probably build a head cabinet for it, as I've done with my Twin. Looking online, I see a head-only version of the Roland, but they seem to be fairly rare and sell for big bucks, so I decided I'd settle for a JC120 combo amp. I'd even trade my Fender head and Altec Lansing cabinet for a JC120 combo with no speakers. About three years ago, there was a mint JC120 with a road cabinet for sale locally for 800.00 - I didn't realize at the time what a deal that was and I should have jumped at the chance to own one then. I know now that there's a limited possibility that I'll find someone within driving distance that has a JC120 and is interested in trading, but I've been thinking that, with Facebook Marketplace being so active in musical gear sales, it's worth a try. Mostly wanted to know what you thought of the idea... Whether it was close enough to equivalent value that I should be thinking about it, and whether it's possible that a Roland owner might consider it. I think the answer is yes, if you find the right person. I checked the values of both and they don't seem way out of whack. |
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Post by highdeaf on Oct 6, 2021 18:36:44 GMT
Back then a 120 would have been nice to have for some extra volume & the faux stereo chorus. I don't know what you mean by 'faux stereo chorus'. It was one of the few amps out there that actually did a physical chorus thing, using two speakers with different chorused signals fed to each. The largest limitation was the closeness of the 2 speakers, making the effect quite narrow. And the fact that all chorus is faux (trying to duplicate multiple instruments). The combo with 2 speakers is the only reason I'd consider a JC120. That is it's best trick. Two small amps spread apart with a stereo chorus pedal driving each of them does at least as good a job. I wonder if L&M would give you two small Katanas and a stereo chorus pedal for trade for that twin. Maybe that's too much to ask though. The Kats certainly have a wider palette of tones to mess with. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 19:10:04 GMT
Back then a 120 would have been nice to have for some extra volume & the faux stereo chorus. I don't know what you mean by 'faux stereo chorus'. It was one of the few amps out there that actually did a physical chorus thing, using two speakers with different chorused signals fed to each. The largest limitation was the closeness of the 2 speakers, making the effect quite narrow. And the fact that all chorus is faux (trying to duplicate multiple instruments). The combo with 2 speakers is the only reason I'd consider a JC120. That is it's best trick. Two small amps spread apart with a stereo chorus pedal driving each of them does at least as good a job. I wonder if L&M would give you two small Katanas and a stereo chorus pedal for trade for that twin. Maybe that's too much to ask though. The Kats certainly have a wider palette of tones to mess with. A Katana would be a heck of a lot easier loading in and out of my Nissan Micra. The reason for wanting the bigger amp would be to have an amp that I could use for bass. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 0:47:34 GMT
I did some looking through Craigslist, Kajiji, and Used Victoria for a JC120, and found an early JC120 in Victoria that the guy's got advertised for 750.00. He says no trades, but I sent him a message anyway saying that if he doesn't get any other bites on his ad, I'd be interested in a straight across trade.
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Post by Die Bullen on Oct 8, 2021 0:49:07 GMT
I did some looking through Craigslist, Kajiji, and Used Victoria for a JC120, and found an early JC120 in Victoria that the guy's got advertised for 750.00. He says no trades, but I sent him a message anyway saying that if he doesn't get any other bites on his ad, I'd be interested in a straight across trade. Never hurts to try.... |
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Post by zontar on Oct 9, 2021 7:02:40 GMT
I don't know what you mean by 'faux stereo chorus'. It was one of the few amps out there that actually did a physical chorus thing, using two speakers with different chorused signals fed to each. The largest limitation was the closeness of the 2 speakers, making the effect quite narrow. And the fact that all chorus is faux (trying to duplicate multiple instruments). The combo with 2 speakers is the only reason I'd consider a JC120. That is it's best trick. Two small amps spread apart with a stereo chorus pedal driving each of them does at least as good a job. I wonder if L&M would give you two small Katanas and a stereo chorus pedal for trade for that twin. Maybe that's too much to ask though. The Kats certainly have a wider palette of tones to mess with. A Katana would be a heck of a lot easier loading in and out of my Nissan Micra. The reason for wanting the bigger amp would be to have an amp that I could use for bass. I saw a used one at a local store about a month ago. $800+ I think. (i wasn't paying that close attention to the price.) |
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Post by zontar on Oct 9, 2021 7:04:38 GMT
Back then a 120 would have been nice to have for some extra volume & the faux stereo chorus. I don't know what you mean by 'faux stereo chorus'. It was one of the few amps out there that actually did a physical chorus thing, using two speakers with different chorused signals fed to each. The largest limitation was the closeness of the 2 speakers, making the effect quite narrow. And the fact that all chorus is faux (trying to duplicate multiple instruments). The combo with 2 speakers is the only reason I'd consider a JC120. That is it's best trick. Two small amps spread apart with a stereo chorus pedal driving each of them does at least as good a job. I wonder if L&M would give you two small Katanas and a stereo chorus pedal for trade for that twin. Maybe that's too much to ask though. The Kats certainly have a wider palette of tones to mess with. By 'faux stereo chorus' I am referring to the sound the chorus does with the 2 speakers. A lot of people referred to it as stereo--but it really isn't. I've read the term 'faux stereo chorus' in many reviews of these amps. |
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Post by infant on Oct 12, 2021 2:05:35 GMT
I thought those had two 60 watt amplifiers, one per speaker, similar to the Peavey Stereo chorus from the 80s
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Post by zontar on Oct 12, 2021 2:10:03 GMT
I thought those had two 60 watt amplifiers, one per speaker, similar to the Peavey Stereo chorus from the 80s Not sure about that--but there was something done like that for the chorus circuit--which wa step same as the one in the old huge chorus pedals Boss made. (Although that may have been adapted over the years) But the chorus sound from the JC amps is fantastic. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 5:13:43 GMT
I've had a couple of thoughts since I first started talking about this.
One is that since I can't use speakers when I practice at home, I wouldn't be able to hear what the amp does best with the chorus emulated from two separate speakers, and also, even if I could sample a signal in stereo from both of the channels, it would end up being summed by the Weber Headphone Tap, so at best it would end up being a mono chorus signal.
I'd probably still do it if the seller I mentioned ends up accepting my trade offer, because when I use the amp for bass in a band situation, I'd still get the benefit sonically, and I have a fondness for the way bass sounds with a chorus (although I'd have to rewire my Portalex bass cabinet for stereo) And, getting back to a solid state amp, I'd be done with having to wait for the amp to warm up and there'd be no more tubes to buy.
If the deal on that JC120 doesn't happen, I'll be happy to live with the vintage Twin Reverb.
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