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Post by northernboy on Oct 3, 2021 20:21:15 GMT
Has anyone here taken the plunge? What do you think of it? How has it worked out for you?
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Post by Die Bullen on Oct 3, 2021 21:18:37 GMT
Has anyone here taken the plunge? What do you think of it? How has it worked out for you? I had to look them up- I'd never heard of them before. They look cool but they are really expensive for a ss modeling amp- for that money you can get a Boutique hand wired tube amp! Have you ever played through one?
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Post by northernboy on Oct 3, 2021 21:23:14 GMT
Has anyone here taken the plunge? What do you think of it? How has it worked out for you? I had to look them up- I'd never heard of them before. They look cool but they are really expensive for a ss modeling amp- for that money you can get a Boutique hand wired tube amp! Have you ever played through one? Nope! That's why I'm asking. I've never been a fan of modelling amps, and I especially don't like scrolling through menus, but a lot of people who can afford to use anything are using them.
I'm surprised you've never heard of them.
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Post by Die Bullen on Oct 3, 2021 21:39:23 GMT
I had to look them up- I'd never heard of them before. They look cool but they are really expensive for a ss modeling amp- for that money you can get a Boutique hand wired tube amp! Have you ever played through one? Nope! That's why I'm asking. I've never been a fan of modelling amps, and I especially don't like scrolling through menus, but a lot of people who can afford to use anything are using them.
I'm surprised you've never heard of them.
Well, I'm more of a commercial player than a gear head, so I gravitate to the simplest thing that can get the job done (literally), especially where amps are concerned. I sure there are a lot of amps I haven't heard of. Opinions rage strong on both sides of the aisle about modeling amps. I've tried a couple and didn't find that they did anything for me, and I also don't have the patience to be messing with menus on stage- I need to get set up as quickly as I can. HOWEVER At this price point these amps are clearly not a fancy looking Gdec (no offense to gdec owners)- it has to be a super premium unit with very advanced electronics. Now I'm curious to try one, if I can find one
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Post by northernboy on Oct 3, 2021 22:20:10 GMT
Nope! That's why I'm asking. I've never been a fan of modelling amps, and I especially don't like scrolling through menus, but a lot of people who can afford to use anything are using them.
I'm surprised you've never heard of them.
Well, I'm more of a commercial player than a gear head, so I gravitate to the simplest thing that can get the job done (literally), especially where amps are concerned. I sure there are a lot of amps I haven't heard of. Opinions rage strong on both sides of the aisle about modeling amps. I've tried a couple and didn't find that they did anything for me, and I also don't have the patience to be messing with menus on stage- I need to get set up as quickly as I can. HOWEVER At this price point these amps are clearly not a fancy looking Gdec (no offense to gdec owners)- it has to be a super premium unit with very advanced electronics. Now I'm curious to try one, if I can find one The way they profile amps still completely baffles me, but hey, technology progresses I guess. If you haven't seen how it's done, pull up a youtube video on it. You'll be completely taken aback by the process.
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Post by Die Bullen on Oct 4, 2021 0:08:39 GMT
Well, I'm more of a commercial player than a gear head, so I gravitate to the simplest thing that can get the job done (literally), especially where amps are concerned. I sure there are a lot of amps I haven't heard of. Opinions rage strong on both sides of the aisle about modeling amps. I've tried a couple and didn't find that they did anything for me, and I also don't have the patience to be messing with menus on stage- I need to get set up as quickly as I can. HOWEVER At this price point these amps are clearly not a fancy looking Gdec (no offense to gdec owners)- it has to be a super premium unit with very advanced electronics. Now I'm curious to try one, if I can find one The way they profile amps still completely baffles me, but hey, technology progresses I guess. If you haven't seen how it's done, pull up a youtube video on it. You'll be completely taken aback by the process. I'll check it out for sure- if you have a good example please post it!
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Post by zontar on Oct 4, 2021 4:26:10 GMT
I'd like to try one--they aren't modellers in the same sense of most modelling amps--but they overlap with that--so they broadly fit into the category--but it sounds like they aren't as limited as many modelling amps.
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Post by johnreardon on Oct 4, 2021 7:44:49 GMT
Never tried one. Quite a few session players over here seem to use them, so they must be ok-ish
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Post by highdeaf on Oct 4, 2021 15:16:25 GMT
I couldn't live without mine now. But that didn't happen overnight. I'm a bit of a techno-geek. I love all things knobs. I even owned a Mesa Roadster, one of the most 'knobs per square inch' amps you can find. I mixed sound for years, so a huge swatch of knobs and sliders and switches doesn't unsettle me, in fact I thrive in it. That said, that's somewhat what is required to get on with this kinda thing. If you want turn on, plug in and play, this is probably not for you. If you are totally happy with your current sound and don't look for change, this tech is pointless to you. If you aren't Mark Knopfler and have a full time guitar tech to do all the dirty work for you (which is how he went on the road with his), you probably won't enjoy the process. If, on the other hand, you wonder what other amps, unattainable amps, sound and feel like, this might be for you. Or if you are 'effects curious' but can't drop $500 every time a new doodad piques your curiosity, this again may be a useful (and even cheap) alternative. The learning curve is steep and long though. It took me a couple of years to really get comfortable with menu structure and what 'definition' or 'pick' or 'tube shape' did in the amp's deep editing. In a nutshell, the big diff between profilers (Kemper) and modelers (Axe-FX and L6 Helix) is in how you get the sounds. With modelers, you build the sound up from scratch, usually starting with a base sound (like Marshall or Vox) and adding to it. Complicated but thorough. I think of it as comparable to additive synthesis. With profilers, you 'take a snapshot' of any amp you like (the profile). You get that amp, quite accurately, but you don't get all the adjustments, you get that one sound. If you want more gain or different EQ, another 'snapshot' is required. Once you have that sound, there are many up front and even more deep edit parameters that allow you to tweek the sound, including changing speaker cab simulations if you are playing through a PA rather than a guitar speaker cab. I think of it as subtractive synthesis. It sometimes feels like the sky is the limit, which freaks some people out. All these products have a large base of users that provide free and paid-for profiles/models. More than you can wade through - Kemper's on-line Rig Manager has 17,000+ profiles available for free. But the search and sort features are good, so it does make sense. Takes just a second to audition an amp profile. You save the ones you like on your hardware or computer. There is nothing better for recording or home practice, IME. If I laid a track down six months ago and I want to punch in a guitar part, I can get exactly the same tone as long as I did good notes when I first tracked. No more getting the cab mic'ing the same, which I always found challenging. Reamping is also dead easy. It is also now my gigging preference. I got the Kemper head (which looks like a 50s toaster, love it or hate it) with the built-in 600 watt class-D power amp. It is the most amp-like for live playing - knobs for many parameters immediately accessible without roaming through menus. I run it through a guitar cab on stage and feed a cab-simulated signal to FOH if required. I have the optional foot controller that allows me to access various profiles grouped into 'performances' - 5 amps per performance immediately footswitchable, with their own effects per profile. I have 'performances' based on genre, for hard rock, clean, country rock and rockabilly. I also have 'performances' based on brand - Fender, Vox, Marshall, Dumble and Mesa. It can be overwhelming if you aren't oriented towards that kinds of block and level thinking. I can tap up and down different 'performances' and then footswitch different amps and effects inside each performance. The variety available is astounding, amazing ..... and off-putting for some people. Then there's 'morphing' which is unique to these types of equipment, unless you've got some kind of high-end midi setup. Five years ago, I was a tube snob. I still have a half dozen tube amps and the luxury to be able to play them loudly. But I could now live without any of them. Even my much-loved mod'd Mesa LSS. But as you can probably tell, I'm pretty on-board with the new digital class of amp modelers. The Axe-FX tempts me now, but I have so much still to learn with the Kemper, and Reaper and a few other software based tools. I don't think I'll get 'any better' with the Axe, just different. And no one else makes a 'powered head' configuration which is absolutely my preference right now. They ain't for everyone, but if they interest you, they are pretty incredible. Of note, people who bought their Kemper 10 years ago are still using the same hardware while they load new OS and software, with newer and better effects and options. Pretty good return on investment. Not many computer-based hardware companies can say that. Cheers and good luck! More reading, if you're interested: guitartalk.freeforums.net/thread/979/modeling-amps
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Post by highdeaf on Oct 20, 2022 18:04:31 GMT
Speaker upgrade incoming.
Kemper years ago commissioned Celestion to build a speaker to their specs. Called the Kone, it has a known EQ curve that Kemper could use to their advantage. By installing various software curves in the profiler, the speaker can fairly accurately ape many of the favorite guitar speakers out there. And allows changes to 'speaker types' on the fly, with the push of a button.
Something similar to this been done for years, speaker emulation or IR's. But these don't use a guitar speaker as a part of their signal chain, they do it all electronically and then require as flat a reproduction device as possible, FRFR or PA-type speakers. It works, but to some, it lacks something an 'amp in the room' or regular guitar cab gives us.
I used FRFR occasionally (a pair of Yorky NX10-C's) but I much prefer a real guitar cabinet. That was one of the limitations to modeling. The guitar speaker / cab has a significant impact on the amp's tone. A JTM50 through a Fender Twin cabinet with a pair of K120's just doesn't sound right. Just like a Fender Twin is drastically changed if played through a closed-back Marshall 412. So model accuracy is largely dependent on the cabinet you plug into. It limits the range of tones you can accurately get.
The Kone and software supposedly does away with some of this problem. Dial in a K120-type speaker for the Twin model and dial in a G12 Greenback for the Marshall model. I haven't tried on yet, but the reviews I read are generally very favorable.
Then Kemper came out with a Kone NEO (as in neodymium). I've always wanted to try an neodymium speaker but just couldn't decide which one. Reviews are all over the place. The Kone NEO solves the dilemma. Two birds with one stone, if you will. So I ordered one and am looking forward to a few rainy months to tweek it and dial it in. No downside as I will still have a couple cabs with known-quantity speakers, but I hope the Kone becomes my go-to speaker, especially because it's lighter than anything else I own. My back will thank me, I hope.
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Post by Sinster on Oct 24, 2022 2:01:02 GMT
A lot of touring artist are using the Kemper. I pretty sure Metallica uses them and Mark Knopfler.. I was interested in them, but the price.. is crazy in my opinion. What's the warranty on the thing?
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Post by highdeaf on Oct 25, 2022 16:04:58 GMT
A lot of touring artist are using the Kemper. I pretty sure Metallica uses them and Mark Knopfler.. I was interested in them, but the price.. is crazy in my opinion. What's the warranty on the thing?
Yea, quite a few touring artists using them. Knopfler, which was kind of a big deal a couple years ago, because he's apparently an amp aficionado (I think Metallic uses Axe FX). The things are quite light (cheaper to haul on a tour) and you can take your whole setup on a thumb drive if you go somewhere and don't want to haul yours around. Rent one and download all your settings in a matter of minutes. That's kinda cool, for people who have that need.
Devin Townsend used to use a Kemper for his amp tones and an Axe FX for the effects. I've heard that wasn't uncommon, although Kemper's effects have improved drastically in the last few years via o/s upgrades.
Warranty is the standard 1 year, I think. I bought mine used and only got 90 days, so I paid an extra bit to get the full year. It would probably be a nightmare getting it repaired out of warranty.
Most people worry about the long-in-the-tooth platform. The hardware hasn't changed in about 12 years, although the new free o/s updates keep working with the existing h/w. KPA feel they don't need to upgrade h/w, but some consumers are afraid of buying one now and having KPA 2.0 be released a month later. I get that. After this long with mine, I would buy 2.0 in a second. But it isn't for everyone, I get that, too.
Options are good.
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 12, 2023 18:20:38 GMT
Just dropped in to say "Liquid Profiles". This could be huge.
Thank you.
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