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Post by george on Aug 31, 2021 1:31:32 GMT
And I think a lot of the stuff that they use in the batteries comes from places where they don't like us very much .. lol You mean like Canada? (just kidding) The canadian government doesn't like it's own people either .. lol
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 1:32:33 GMT
It's all well and fine to tell people they should be switching to electric vehicles, but given the number of large multi-family apartments, none of which has any facility for charging electric cars, it'll be a snowy day in hell before they'll convince a lot of people to be environmentally conscientious. Charging is only one issue. The fact that electric cars are only really affordable to most people through huge subsidies is warped- a price distortion created to give certain companies unfair advantages.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 1:35:57 GMT
You mean like Canada? (just kidding) The canadian government doesn't like it's own people either .. lol I think most governments don't like their own people, unless you are from Scandinavia... on one hand too much "Hoi polloi" and on the other, too many people that ask questions.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 31, 2021 1:39:43 GMT
Not to mention, more environmentally toxic to the planet during manufacturing and land filling batteries after their 10 yr lifecycle. Electric cars 'pose environmental threat'The team looked at the life-cycle impact of conventional and electric vehicles.
In essence, they considered how the production, the use and the end-of-life dismantling of a car affects the environment, explained co-author Prof Anders Hammer Stromman.
"The production phase of electric vehicles proved substantially more environmentally intensive," the report said, comparing it to how petrol and diesel cars are made.
"The global warming potential from electric vehicle production is about twice that of conventional vehicles."
In addition, producing batteries and electric motors requires a lot of toxic minerals such as nickel, copper and aluminium.
Hence, the acidification impact is much greater than that of conventional car production.
"Across the other impacts considered in the analysis including potential for effects related to acid rain, airborne particulate matter, smog, human toxicity, ecosystem toxicity and depletion of fossil fuel and mineral resources, electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation," according to Prof Stromman.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 1:48:31 GMT
Not to mention, more environmentally toxic to the planet during manufacturing and land filling batteries after their 10 yr lifecycle. Electric cars 'pose environmental threat'The team looked at the life-cycle impact of conventional and electric vehicles.
In essence, they considered how the production, the use and the end-of-life dismantling of a car affects the environment, explained co-author Prof Anders Hammer Stromman.
"The production phase of electric vehicles proved substantially more environmentally intensive," the report said, comparing it to how petrol and diesel cars are made.
"The global warming potential from electric vehicle production is about twice that of conventional vehicles."
In addition, producing batteries and electric motors requires a lot of toxic minerals such as nickel, copper and aluminium.
Hence, the acidification impact is much greater than that of conventional car production.
"Across the other impacts considered in the analysis including potential for effects related to acid rain, airborne particulate matter, smog, human toxicity, ecosystem toxicity and depletion of fossil fuel and mineral resources, electric vehicles consistently perform worse or on par with modern internal combustion engine vehicles, despite virtually zero direct emissions during operation," according to Prof Stromman. Well that's the strategy- kick the can down the road and blame the previous guy. I guess the millennials will have to figure out what to do with all those toxic batteries from dead electric cars in 20 years. I'll be in my 70's then and i will leave it to them to figure out. At least they will feel great about "not polluting" until then... Hey, at least we're not using leaded gasoline- I guess that's our contribution...
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2021 2:39:06 GMT
I figure one more new F150 oughta see me out.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 31, 2021 11:28:10 GMT
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 11:58:43 GMT
I figure one more new F150 oughta see me out. Yeah, if you keep the car long enough that is true. All kidding aside this is a real dilemma for me because the cars I actually want to buy are simply vanishing. From what I understand all new VW's from now on will only have buttonless systems with touch screens, no analogue gauges. I'm sure others will make the same decision- not all of us want all that crap. I don't WANT to dig through a touch screen menus to activate the HVAC in the car- I just want to turn a knob and make it slightly warmer or cooler. Maybe I save up all my dough and try to spring for that Porsche I always wanted and they can bury me in the thing. That is assuming that in 5 years a Porsche isn't just like a Tesla with touch screens.
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Post by infant on Aug 31, 2021 12:50:35 GMT
I figure one more new F150 oughta see me out. Yeah, if you keep the car long enough that is true. All kidding aside this is a real dilemma for me because the cars I actually want to buy are simply vanishing. From what I understand all new VW's from now on will only have buttonless systems with touch screens, no analogue gauges. I'm sure others will make the same decision- not all of us want all that crap. I don't WANT to dig through a touch screen menus to activate the HVAC in the car- I just want to turn a knob and make it slightly warmer or cooler. Maybe I save up all my dough and try to spring for that Porsche I always wanted and they can bury me in the thing. That is assuming that in 5 years a Porsche isn't just like a Tesla with touch screens. Yeah, I’m not big on touch screens either. My Tucson’s screen is mainly for radio and phone controls and for the rear view camera. I still have buttons on my steering wheel that can perform the same functions. However, I used to commute to work with a guy in his 2014 Dodge Charger. His touch screen controlled so many features. In the last year that we worked together, he started losing some of them bit by bit. First it was his “speech to text”, then his phone (Bluetooth). Then in the winter, we couldn’t turn on the heated seats anymore (he had leather seats and they were cold!). Then it completely crapped out on him. I can’t remember what he was quoted to replace it but I think he got a refurbished one for about $600 and had it installed. The touch screen gives the interior a clean appearance but, like you, I don’t like going through menus to get to the screen I need. I like to see an actual button to push. In my last job, we helped design the electronics for GMs “linkless” transmissions. Basically, there is no shifter, just a rotating knob selector in the vehicle that sends an electronic signal to our unit on the transmission that puts the car in gear. Huge safety concerns if this should fail!! I don’t know if I would want one on my car but soon they will all be like this
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 15:21:19 GMT
Yeah, if you keep the car long enough that is true. All kidding aside this is a real dilemma for me because the cars I actually want to buy are simply vanishing. From what I understand all new VW's from now on will only have buttonless systems with touch screens, no analogue gauges. I'm sure others will make the same decision- not all of us want all that crap. I don't WANT to dig through a touch screen menus to activate the HVAC in the car- I just want to turn a knob and make it slightly warmer or cooler. Maybe I save up all my dough and try to spring for that Porsche I always wanted and they can bury me in the thing. That is assuming that in 5 years a Porsche isn't just like a Tesla with touch screens. Yeah, I’m not big on touch screens either. My Tucson’s screen is mainly for radio and phone controls and for the rear view camera. I still have buttons on my steering wheel that can perform the same functions. However, I used to commute to work with a guy in his 2014 Dodge Charger. His touch screen controlled so many features. In the last year that we worked together, he started losing some of them bit by bit. First it was his “speech to text”, then his phone (Bluetooth). Then in the winter, we couldn’t turn on the heated seats anymore (he had leather seats and they were cold!). Then it completely crapped out on him. I can’t remember what he was quoted to replace it but I think he got a refurbished one for about $600 and had it installed. The touch screen gives the interior a clean appearance but, like you, I don’t like going through menus to get to the screen I need. I like to see an actual button to push. In my last job, we helped design the electronics for GMs “linkless” transmissions. Basically, there is no shifter, just a rotating knob selector in the vehicle that sends an electronic signal to our unit on the transmission that puts the car in gear. Huge safety concerns if this should fail!! I don’t know if I would want one on my car but soon they will all be like this That's exactly the issue- some manufacturers are now moving to a tablet-like touchscreen for all functions with no buttons in the car at all. I think this is a terrible idea. I don't see it as safe to make me take my eyes off the road for 30 seconds while I fight to figure out how to turn the temperature down a notch. I don't feel I should have to "learn" to change the fan setting. It isn't my resistance to technology, but I honestly don't see that this "feature" is a real life benefit, just because it is the way Tesla chose to go with controls. Of course the touch screen infotainment system is another matter. I want that backup camera and using the infotainment system to display my phone's GPS is a huge benefit. I just don't think that we really need to take it "all the way"
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 31, 2021 15:44:59 GMT
And I think a lot of the stuff that they use in the batteries comes from places where they don't like us very much .. lol
Like Quebec and the maritimes?
Truth be told, Quebec does have a supply of some of that stuff needed for batteries. The feds won't get in the way of them developing their resources, in fact they'll probably fund all the development. And the income won't be included in transfer payment calculations either.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Aug 31, 2021 15:46:26 GMT
_ My Maggs has a 2018 Mazda CX-5 and I use a 2011 Nissan Juke as my daily driver. This is what I drive when the weather allows. Had her since I was 19 years-old.
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Post by infant on Aug 31, 2021 17:23:26 GMT
_ My Maggs has a 2018 Mazda CX-5 and I use a 2011 Nissan Juke as my daily driver. This is what I drive when the weather allows. Had her since I was 19 years-old. View AttachmentView AttachmentThat is sweet!
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Post by infant on Aug 31, 2021 17:32:45 GMT
Yeah, I’m not big on touch screens either. My Tucson’s screen is mainly for radio and phone controls and for the rear view camera. I still have buttons on my steering wheel that can perform the same functions. However, I used to commute to work with a guy in his 2014 Dodge Charger. His touch screen controlled so many features. In the last year that we worked together, he started losing some of them bit by bit. First it was his “speech to text”, then his phone (Bluetooth). Then in the winter, we couldn’t turn on the heated seats anymore (he had leather seats and they were cold!). Then it completely crapped out on him. I can’t remember what he was quoted to replace it but I think he got a refurbished one for about $600 and had it installed. The touch screen gives the interior a clean appearance but, like you, I don’t like going through menus to get to the screen I need. I like to see an actual button to push. In my last job, we helped design the electronics for GMs “linkless” transmissions. Basically, there is no shifter, just a rotating knob selector in the vehicle that sends an electronic signal to our unit on the transmission that puts the car in gear. Huge safety concerns if this should fail!! I don’t know if I would want one on my car but soon they will all be like this That's exactly the issue- some manufacturers are now moving to a tablet-like touchscreen for all functions with no buttons in the car at all. I think this is a terrible idea. I don't see it as safe to make me take my eyes off the road for 30 seconds while I fight to figure out how to turn the temperature down a notch. I don't feel I should have to "learn" to change the fan setting. It isn't my resistance to technology, but I honestly don't see that this "feature" is a real life benefit, just because it is the way Tesla chose to go with controls. Of course the touch screen infotainment system is another matter. I want that backup camera and using the infotainment system to display my phone's GPS is a huge benefit. I just don't think that we really need to take it "all the way" Exactly! I like all the new safety features like lane departure, blind spot detection, rear cross traffic detection and forward emergency braking. That makes insurance rates go down because they help prevent accidents. However, if you have to take your eyes off of the road to lower the temperature in your car, that may be why they include the new features. the other thing that they may be doing is creating a voice activated system like Siri or Alexa… “Alexa, turn on the drivers heated seat”. But still, it would be expensive if you ever have to fix it.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 17:47:40 GMT
_ My Maggs has a 2018 Mazda CX-5 and I use a 2011 Nissan Juke as my daily driver. This is what I drive when the weather allows. Had her since I was 19 years-old. View AttachmentView AttachmentI like those old MG's. I'd buy one myself but I am not much of a tinkerer.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 31, 2021 17:51:05 GMT
That's exactly the issue- some manufacturers are now moving to a tablet-like touchscreen for all functions with no buttons in the car at all. I think this is a terrible idea. I don't see it as safe to make me take my eyes off the road for 30 seconds while I fight to figure out how to turn the temperature down a notch. I don't feel I should have to "learn" to change the fan setting. It isn't my resistance to technology, but I honestly don't see that this "feature" is a real life benefit, just because it is the way Tesla chose to go with controls. Of course the touch screen infotainment system is another matter. I want that backup camera and using the infotainment system to display my phone's GPS is a huge benefit. I just don't think that we really need to take it "all the way" Exactly! I like all the new safety features like lane departure, blind spot detection, rear cross traffic detection and forward emergency braking. That makes insurance rates go down because they help prevent accidents. However, if you have to take your eyes off of the road to lower the temperature in your car, that may be why they include the new features. the other thing that they may be doing is creating a voice activated system like Siri or Alexa… “Alexa, turn on the drivers heated seat”. But still, it would be expensive if you ever have to fix it. Voice activated would be somewhat better but I still like physical controls. Also I personally like analog gauges- I'm not sure when they became passé...
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Post by allthumbs56 on Aug 31, 2021 19:17:23 GMT
_ My Maggs has a 2018 Mazda CX-5 and I use a 2011 Nissan Juke as my daily driver. This is what I drive when the weather allows. Had her since I was 19 years-old. View AttachmentView AttachmentI like those old MG's. I'd buy one myself but I am not much of a tinkerer. They're pretty reliable when you only drive them 500 miles a year and not in the rain or in the dark.
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Post by Sinster on Sept 1, 2021 14:16:27 GMT
I had a '72 Super Beetle, but sold it when I moved from Texas to Massachusetts. Wish I never sold it!!!! I do want one of those Electric F-150's... or a 2021 Vette... I'm all for a Hydrogen fuel car. The www.toyota.com/mirai/
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Post by laristotle on Sept 1, 2021 15:03:44 GMT
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Post by allthumbs56 on Sept 1, 2021 17:34:25 GMT
The all new Tesla Chariot?
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Post by zontar on Sept 1, 2021 22:07:59 GMT
Looks good on you...
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Post by laristotle on Sept 1, 2021 22:19:50 GMT
Looks good on you... Wish it was me. That looks cool.
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Post by Sinster on Sept 2, 2021 0:55:16 GMT
The all new Tesla Chariot? Missing the flame thrower!!
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Post by Die Bullen on Sept 2, 2021 1:41:34 GMT
The all new Tesla Chariot? Missing the flame thrower!! But is it battery electric or hydrogen?
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Post by george on Sept 2, 2021 3:43:36 GMT
Last I looked the transmission/engine combo and steering rack that I wanted was only available in a work truck; hopefully those won’t have touch screens in them. My current vehicle I can operate all the knobs and such without having to take my eyes off the road. I don’t like electric steering and the stop start system is idiocy along with variable valve timing and deactivating 4 cylinders at cruise. Just over-engineered garbage that will cost a lot to fix when it goes wrong. I’d rather just use more gas.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 3:52:59 GMT
Last I looked the transmission/engine combo and steering rack that I wanted was only available in a work truck; hopefully those won’t have touch screens in them. My current vehicle I can operate all the knobs and such without having to take my eyes off the road. I don’t like electric steering and the stop start system is idiocy along with variable valve timing and deactivating 4 cylinders at cruise. Just over-engineered garbage that will cost a lot to fix when it goes wrong. I’d rather just use more gas. I agree with everything said here. I haven't owned a modern vehicle that has the touch screens, but many years ago when I was still making my living installing car audio systems, manufacturers were starting to employ display screens and use multiple-function touch controls that necessitated taking your eyes off the road to adjust your stereo. It was a deeply flawed system then and it's getting more prevalent and ridiculous every day.
My previous landlord bought a new full-size Chevy pickup a few months ago that had that stop-start system built in and he had nothing good to say about it. The only saving grace is that, at least in the Chev trucks, you can defeat it.
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Post by george on Sept 2, 2021 4:00:12 GMT
Yeah, people on the 401 at 120 kph texting while trying to use the touch screen in their cars - what could possibly go wrong .. lol
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Post by Die Bullen on Sept 2, 2021 10:09:10 GMT
Last I looked the transmission/engine combo and steering rack that I wanted was only available in a work truck; hopefully those won’t have touch screens in them. My current vehicle I can operate all the knobs and such without having to take my eyes off the road. I don’t like electric steering and the stop start system is idiocy along with variable valve timing and deactivating 4 cylinders at cruise. Just over-engineered garbage that will cost a lot to fix when it goes wrong. I’d rather just use more gas. I agree with everything said here. I haven't owned a modern vehicle that has the touch screens, but many years ago when I was still making my living installing car audio systems, manufacturers were starting to employ display screens and use multiple-function touch controls that necessitated taking your eyes off the road to adjust your stereo. It was a deeply flawed system then and it's getting more prevalent and ridiculous every day.
My previous landlord bought a new full-size Chevy pickup a few months ago that had that stop-start system built in and he had nothing good to say about it. The only saving grace is that, at least in the Chev trucks, you can defeat it.
Years ago I had a rental car with the auto shutoff feature and I had no idea what was going on. I thought the car was stalling at every red light so I kept turning the ignition key. By chance I realized that it restarted when I put my foot on the clutch and then realized it must be some "feature"
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Post by highdeaf on Sept 2, 2021 17:36:38 GMT
That stop/start feature sure flies in the face of the old diesel belief that it was better to idle your vehicle for 15 minutes than turn it off and on again 15 minutes later. They believed that stopping and starting it burned more fuel, which I think Mercedes disproved a decade or two ago.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Sept 2, 2021 18:54:04 GMT
That stop/start feature sure flies in the face of the old diesel belief that it was better to idle your vehicle for 15 minutes than turn it off and on again 15 minutes later. They believed that stopping and starting it burned more fuel, which I think Mercedes disproved a decade or two ago. It must suck juice to start everytime too. And all the electrics in your vehicle must dim a bit every time it starts again I assume. Does the radio and navi reboot? All of that puts an additional draw on the charging system - which requires more engine power to replenish. Especially cold starts on a February morning.
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