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Post by markr on Aug 13, 2021 1:44:30 GMT
how about the 'wiggle' bar on a Strat? My son called it a "wanky" bar when he was little until he discovered his wanky bar!
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 13, 2021 10:23:27 GMT
I can adapt and 'play along'. But that doesn't stop me from wanting more precision.
Or is that accuracy? There's two interchangeable words that confuse most everyone, even people who've studied it, the differences between them being so subtle. I don't find any subtlety in the differences of the definitions of vibrato/tremolo or concrete/cement.
I see where you are coming from but I also usually call it whatever the manufacturer does That's what I do. I detest terms like 'whammy bar'. Utterly childish to me, but I am old.
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Post by markr on Aug 13, 2021 11:09:57 GMT
Where is that "Old man yelling at the clouds image"? Lol
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 13, 2021 12:36:59 GMT
Where is that "Old man yelling at the clouds image"? Lol
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 13, 2021 15:56:22 GMT
I can adapt and 'play along'. But that doesn't stop me from wanting more precision.
Or is that accuracy? There's two interchangeable words that confuse most everyone, even people who've studied it, the differences between them being so subtle. I don't find any subtlety in the differences of the definitions of vibrato/tremolo or concrete/cement.
I see where you are coming from but I also usually call it whatever the manufacturer does
I just use them interchangeably but lean towards the more technically accurate term.
If you replace your factory synchronous tremolo on your Strat with a Floyd Rose vibrato (which many did in the 70s), you aren't really changing the effect the bar has.
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 13, 2021 16:01:09 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. Hold on there bubbaloo ! Concrete is a mixture of aggregates, water and CEMENT! I use the reference of bread, do you eat bread or flour? CEMENT is a powder and will remain a powder until water is added to cause hydration to make it a solid and aggregate is added to give strength .
Exactly my point.
You must have heard people refer to their cement driveway or their cement swimming pool or the cement curbs around their house. One of my favorite authors, Tom Clancy, couldn't tell the difference, repeatedly using cement incorrectly. A flaw in otherwise brilliant, well-researched books, rife with technical detail.
Similarly, tremolo by definition is a change in amplitude/volume and vibrator technically a change in pitch/frequency.
To many people, the terms are interchangeable, although technically they are not. That's my whole point.
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Post by Bill h on Aug 14, 2021 18:19:25 GMT
I use various pedals, I find the volume pedal really handy. I have a boss super Chorus I use a lot. Distortion comes from my amp and I use an overdrive pedal for leads. I use delay on certain songs and I use a wah occasionally as well, that’s pretty much it outside a phase 90 which I rarely use. My pedal board is sparse compared to other players I’ve seen.
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Post by zontar on Aug 14, 2021 18:32:11 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. i do as well, but the fact is that in the guitar playing world as Fender has reverse tremolo & vibrato on guitars (Tremolo bars) and on amps--called tremolo vibrato) that is the common nomenclature--and I'm pretty sure we're stuck with it after almost 70 years of the Stratocaster and it's misnamed tremolo system.
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Post by zontar on Aug 14, 2021 18:34:03 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. The way I look at it is, I don’t care what the technical definition of the terms are. If the ‘inventor’ or manufacturer calls his product something, then that’s good enough for me. So when Leo came up with a ‘synchronised tremolo’ in 1954, then that’s what it is. To me, those that say it’s not actually tremolo but vibrato are missing the point. Leo gave his product the name of synchronised tremolo. His product, his name. Sure, but that doesn't mean he got it wrong. However in Fender's defence they did get it right one time, as the Mustang has an engraving saying "Dynamic Fender Vibrato" on the bridge plate.
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Post by zontar on Aug 14, 2021 18:37:06 GMT
I see where you are coming from but I also usually call it whatever the manufacturer does
I just use them interchangeably but lean towards the more technically accurate term.
If you replace your factory synchronous tremolo on your Strat with a Floyd Rose vibrato (which many did in the 70s), you aren't really changing the effect the bar has.
And it still gets called a trem any way...
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Post by zontar on Aug 14, 2021 18:38:12 GMT
I use various pedals, I find the volume pedal really handy. I have a boss super Chorus I use a lot. Distortion comes from my amp and I use an overdrive pedal for leads. I use delay on certain songs and I use a wah occasionally as well, that’s pretty much it outside a phase 90 which I rarely use. My pedal board is sparse compared to other players I’ve seen. I play unplugged, straight to amp, using effects on the amp (when they exist), using a pedal or two, using a whole lot of pedals. I enjoy it all--depends on context basically.
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 14, 2021 18:47:54 GMT
I use various pedals, I find the volume pedal really handy. I have a boss super Chorus I use a lot. Distortion comes from my amp and I use an overdrive pedal for leads. I use delay on certain songs and I use a wah occasionally as well, that’s pretty much it outside a phase 90 which I rarely use. My pedal board is sparse compared to other players I’ve seen.
I prefer two channel amps (clean and dirty) and a range of pedals, depending on what the song requires. The pedals allow for a couple levels of gain/boost and compression plus some mod effects (my Line 6 M9 is good for that, with lots of mod effects in a small space). The Kemper makes it even easier, because I don't need to buy more effects, they're all in that box somewhere......
I've had a few amps with built in tremolo. I never used it. I use trem so rarely that I couldn't see tying up footswitch space for it. I still use trem very occasionally (like 2 or 3 songs out of 50 or 60), but it is only available on the amp patches I use for those songs. Keeps the remote switch cleaner.
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Post by Bill h on Aug 14, 2021 19:04:56 GMT
I use various pedals, I find the volume pedal really handy. I have a boss super Chorus I use a lot. Distortion comes from my amp and I use an overdrive pedal for leads. I use delay on certain songs and I use a wah occasionally as well, that’s pretty much it outside a phase 90 which I rarely use. My pedal board is sparse compared to other players I’ve seen.
I prefer two channel amps (clean and dirty) and a range of pedals, depending on what the song requires. The pedals allow for a couple levels of gain/boost and compression plus some mod effects (my Line 6 M9 is good for that, with lots of mod effects in a small space). The Kemper makes it even easier, because I don't need to buy more effects, they're all in that box somewhere......
I've had a few amps with built in tremolo. I never used it. I use trem so rarely that I couldn't see tying up footswitch space for it. I still use trem very occasionally (like 2 or 3 songs out of 50 or 60), but it is only available on the amp patches I use for those songs. Keeps the remote switch cleaner.
I’m using a fender mustang mod amp these days awesome for gigging and a wealth of cool presets. I still have a line six flextone that works pretty good, I experimented with the line six stuff when I first started fooling around with mod amps looking for something to practice on. These days I don’t play out much and when I do mobility is everything to me so the mod combo amp works out beautifully. Another thing is that the fender is super light versus my old line six weighed a ton.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 14, 2021 19:58:07 GMT
The way I look at it is, I don’t care what the technical definition of the terms are. If the ‘inventor’ or manufacturer calls his product something, then that’s good enough for me. So when Leo came up with a ‘synchronised tremolo’ in 1954, then that’s what it is. To me, those that say it’s not actually tremolo but vibrato are missing the point. Leo gave his product the name of synchronised tremolo. His product, his name. Sure, but that doesn't mean he got it wrong. However in Fender's defence they did get it right one time, as the Mustang has an engraving saying "Dynamic Fender Vibrato" on the bridge plate. How can you get it wrong if you produce something and name it ‘xxxxxxx’? Leo wasn’t a guitarist and even though he played sax & piano, I doubt he was concerned about the technicalities of music. We didn’t give a monkeys back in the 60s whether the name ‘synchronised tremolo’ was technically inaccurate. It was just a name that sounded ‘nice’ or ‘cool’
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Post by zontar on Aug 14, 2021 20:11:44 GMT
Sure, but that doesn't mean he got it wrong. However in Fender's defence they did get it right one time, as the Mustang has an engraving saying "Dynamic Fender Vibrato" on the bridge plate. How can you get it wrong if you produce something and name it ‘xxxxxxx’? Leo wasn’t a guitarist and even though he played sax & piano, I doubt he was concerned about the technicalities of music. We didn’t give a monkeys back in the 60s whether the name ‘synchronised tremolo’ was technically inaccurate. It was just a name that sounded ‘nice’ or ‘cool’ In the big picture, yeah--it is what we use--even if it is technically incorrect. I can build a house & call it a skyscraper--that doesn't mean it is one--it's just the name. I use the common terminology--because as I pointed out, the Stratocaster is almost 70 years old. And I do find it amusing in a way that the Mustang to it right. Maybe that's because I own & play a Mustang (Guitar, not amp) I don't call its wiggle stick, some people do--that's cool
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 15:56:30 GMT
I've always thought that one of the biggest challenges a band has is to stay fresh-sounding and not let people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over. When even one player in a band gets into the habit of utilizing the same effect over and over, the band's sound suffers.
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Post by zontar on Aug 20, 2021 5:10:14 GMT
I've always thought that one of the biggest challenges a band has is to stay fresh-sounding and not let people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over. When even one player in a band gets into the habit of utilizing the same effect over and over, the band's sound suffers. And yet I've heard bands say they try to stay fresh and people just want the same old thing... It works both ways--so I think if you play for what you like & what entertains you (& challenges you) you may be more fulfilled--even if you make less money.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 20, 2021 7:45:31 GMT
I've always thought that one of the biggest challenges a band has is to stay fresh-sounding and not let people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over. When even one player in a band gets into the habit of utilizing the same effect over and over, the band's sound suffers. And yet I've heard bands say they try to stay fresh and people just want the same old thing... It works both ways--so I think if you play for what you like & what entertains you (& challenges you) you may be more fulfilled--even if you make less money. I've always played for myself in all the bands I have played in. If the audience liked us, then fine. If they didn't then tough. And yes, I didn't make much money.
About a decade ago, I got asked if I wanted to join a Guns and Roses tribute band. The money being offered was approx 5 times what I normally got in a 4 piece band and they had a full diary. Downside they expected me to wear a black wig and top hat.
I politely declined.
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Post by zontar on Aug 20, 2021 7:47:43 GMT
And yet I've heard bands say they try to stay fresh and people just want the same old thing... It works both ways--so I think if you play for what you like & what entertains you (& challenges you) you may be more fulfilled--even if you make less money. I've always played for myself in all the bands I have played in. If the audience liked us, then fine. If they didn't then tough. And yes, I didn't make much money.
About a decade ago, I got asked if I wanted to join a Guns and Roses tribute band. The money being offered was approx 5 times what I normally got in a 4 piece band and they had a full diary. Downside they expected me to wear a black wig and top hat.
I politely declined.
Hey, if it's not you, then it's not you.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 20, 2021 10:55:45 GMT
And yet I've heard bands say they try to stay fresh and people just want the same old thing... It works both ways--so I think if you play for what you like & what entertains you (& challenges you) you may be more fulfilled--even if you make less money. I've always played for myself in all the bands I have played in. If the audience liked us, then fine. If they didn't then tough. And yes, I didn't make much money.
About a decade ago, I got asked if I wanted to join a Guns and Roses tribute band. The money being offered was approx 5 times what I normally got in a 4 piece band and they had a full diary. Downside they expected me to wear a black wig and top hat.
I politely declined.
Geez I would have thought black wig and top hat would have sealed the deal for you?
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 20, 2021 11:18:42 GMT
I've always played for myself in all the bands I have played in. If the audience liked us, then fine. If they didn't then tough. And yes, I didn't make much money.
About a decade ago, I got asked if I wanted to join a Guns and Roses tribute band. The money being offered was approx 5 times what I normally got in a 4 piece band and they had a full diary. Downside they expected me to wear a black wig and top hat.
I politely declined.
Geez I would have thought black wig and top hat would have sealed the deal for you?
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