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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 20:53:03 GMT
I've heard people complain about this before, but I've never experienced it, other than the hotdogs who think every song needs an overdrive pedal. But I ran into a guitar player yesterday who plays absolutely everything with a chorus pedal, and it drove me nuts.
The guy's got a Snakehead Tele that was built by a former US Fender rep, and a Roland cube amplifier. I suspect that they're both decent sounding pieces of gear but it's hard to tell because he plays everything dripping with Chorus effect. Not sure what drives a person to do this, and I don't know the guy well enough to tell him to shut it down. but I think it really sucks.
Ever run into this?.....Someone who overuses an effect to the point that it makes them hard to listen to?
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Post by zontar on Aug 7, 2021 21:05:40 GMT
I use chorus almost all the time on bass--but will turn it off if it doesn't work.
But I also use a subtle chorus setting.
Not over the top.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 7, 2021 22:06:17 GMT
I once sat through an entire show with the guitar on full on, heavy reverb.
I only stuck it out because the girl I was with wanted to stay. lol
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 8, 2021 6:44:18 GMT
I've heard people complain about this before, but I've never experienced it, other than the hotdogs who think every song needs an overdrive pedal. But I ran into a guitar player yesterday who plays absolutely everything with a chorus pedal, and it drove me nuts.
The guy's got a Snakehead Tele that was built by a former US Fender rep, and a Roland cube amplifier. I suspect that they're both decent sounding pieces of gear but it's hard to tell because he plays everything dripping with Chorus effect. Not sure what drives a person to do this, and I don't know the guy well enough to tell him to shut it down. but I think it really sucks.
Ever run into this?.....Someone who overuses an effect to the point that it makes them hard to listen to?
All the time years ago, but now that im the only guitar player in the band and I don't use any effects, I can't complain anymore! |
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Post by infant on Aug 8, 2021 11:50:01 GMT
I use effects but only for certain songs. I may keep a drive pedal on if I'm using a clean amp and I need that "edge of breakup" sound.
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Post by markr on Aug 8, 2021 13:36:38 GMT
I am currently only playing through a Traynor YCV-20 WR in my studio at low volumes. I used 3-4 different over drives to achieve breakup on a clean amp. I may overuse delay compared to some, flanger, chorus , tremolo and phaser are used sparingly.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 8, 2021 14:38:45 GMT
I've heard people complain about this before, but I've never experienced it, other than the hotdogs who think every song needs an overdrive pedal. But I ran into a guitar player yesterday who plays absolutely everything with a chorus pedal, and it drove me nuts.
The guy's got a Snakehead Tele that was built by a former US Fender rep, and a Roland cube amplifier. I suspect that they're both decent sounding pieces of gear but it's hard to tell because he plays everything dripping with Chorus effect. Not sure what drives a person to do this, and I don't know the guy well enough to tell him to shut it down. but I think it really sucks.
Ever run into this?.....Someone who overuses an effect to the point that it makes them hard to listen to?
Ever run into this?  YES, almost everyone I see using them, including the other guitarist in my band, overuses them. When we recorded our album in 2014 I spent an hour, while the drummer was setting up, trying to convince him not to use his horrible digital pedal board. In the end I got the engineer to tell him to use a single tubescreamer he had rather than his board. He did and it sounded a lot better. Since the recording, he’s sadly gone back to his board 😡🤬 I detest pedals. They are a crutch for people who think it makes them sound better. It doesn’t. It just masks the notes you are making, sometimes making them a muddy blur. you may get the hint I don’t like pedals😁😁😁 |
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Post by markr on Aug 8, 2021 21:50:00 GMT
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Post by laristotle on Aug 8, 2021 22:37:47 GMT
I'm not a pedal fan either. A touch of reverb, that's about it.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 9, 2021 9:15:52 GMT
Don't like?
I detest them 
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Post by zontar on Aug 10, 2021 5:48:53 GMT
Sometimes I plug straight into the map-sometimes I sue a couple of pedals--sometimes several.
It's fun, and it gets my creative juices flowing.
Although sometimes when I work those ideas into a song I don't use that effect, but it inspires a song or riff.
The last time I was recording something I had an idea based on an autowah.
It sounds cool by itself,but when mixed with other guitars (One clean, and one a but dirty with amp gain) it didn't work--so I dumped it and added a droning guitar in the background--with the clean/dirty ratio in between he other two guitars--it sounds cool.
So why have their uses, and their times to leave them behind.
In fact sometimes I play without plugging in.
Although with straight to an amp--many have reverb, vibrato, and/or tremolo.
So do those count?
And with digital amps-you could have a wide range of effects at hand.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 10, 2021 8:13:02 GMT
Sometimes I plug straight into the map-sometimes I sue a couple of pedals--sometimes several. It's fun, and it gets my creative juices flowing. Although sometimes when I work those ideas into a song I don't use that effect, but it inspires a song or riff. The last time I was recording something I had an idea based on an autowah. It sounds cool by itself,but when mixed with other guitars (One clean, and one a but dirty with amp gain) it didn't work--so I dumped it and added a droning guitar in the background--with the clean/dirty ratio in between he other two guitars--it sounds cool. So why have their uses, and their times to leave them behind. In fact sometimes I play without plugging in. Although with straight to an amp-- many have reverb, vibrato, and/or tremolo.
So do those count?And with digital amps-you could have a wide range of effects at hand. It's mainly the distortion type pedals I detest. I don't mind adding reverb or chorus type effects when recording. I do it myself, but always record with no effects. They come after.
Anything on the amp, such as reverb or tremolo are not quite the same in my view, assuming it's a valve amp or not one of those digital things.
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 10, 2021 14:14:31 GMT
My vote would probably be the oldest and perhaps original effect: reverb.
I've played live with guys who were just swarming in it, to the point of nausea. And how do you tell them to turn it down - we are all sensitive to criticism of 'our tone'. It may sound great by yourself at home, but in a band environment, at little is a lot (regardless of what Yngwie said).
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 10, 2021 14:46:37 GMT
I use reverb so infrequently that I can only assume it works on most of my amps with onboard reverb! And i can't remember the last time I turned vibrato on...
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Post by laristotle on Aug 10, 2021 15:18:10 GMT
.. i can't remember the last time I turned vibrato on... Besides 'Crimson and Clover', what good is it for anyways?   |
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Post by zontar on Aug 11, 2021 1:26:33 GMT
.. i can't remember the last time I turned vibrato on... Besides 'Crimson and Clover', what good is it for anyways? View AttachmentI know people who use tremolo & vibrato on amps quite well Doesn't really suit me though. Maybe I overused it once upon a time--my first amp had one or the other. |
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Post by infant on Aug 11, 2021 2:12:21 GMT
.. i can't remember the last time I turned vibrato on... Besides 'Crimson and Clover', what good is it for anyways? View AttachmentThe Hip - Long Time Running |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 5:21:48 GMT
I've been mulling over laristotle's comment about tremolo not being a useful effect. I've been able to think of a couple of instances where it's been a significant effect. One would be Creedence Clearwater's use of the effect in a few of their songs, and also in the Escape Club's "Wild Wild West". I'm sure there are lots of other songs too, if we spent some time thinking about it. I've never let built-in tremolo in an amp be a deciding factor in whether I wanted to own a particular piece of gear, and I can't see myself running out and buying a tremolo effect pedal if my amp didn't have one, although there are guys in forums who seem to put a lot of stock in having it available.
I guess the big thing for me is that, as much as tremolo might have been important to Crimson and Clover or CCR's Midnight Special, you didn't see Tommy James or John Fogerty deciding that if that sounded good, they should use it in all their music. An effect is only a distinctive sound if if it's used judiciously and only occasionally.
I always scratch my head when I see a player devoting precious space on his pedal board for a wah-wah pedal. Other than a few songs like 25 or 6 to 4, or White Room, where the wah-wah is a signature part of how the song should sound, how many other places is it an effect that you need all the time?
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Post by zontar on Aug 11, 2021 6:13:25 GMT
I've been mulling over laristotle's comment about tremolo not being a useful effect. I've been able to think of a couple of instances where it's been a significant effect. One would be Creedence Clearwater's use of the effect in a few of their songs, and also in the Escape Club's "Wild Wild West". I'm sure there are lots of other songs too, if we spent some time thinking about it. I've never let built-in tremolo in an amp be a deciding factor in whether I wanted to own a particular piece of gear, and I can't see myself running out and buying a tremolo effect pedal if my amp didn't have one, although there are guys in forums who seem to put a lot of stock in having it available. I guess the big thing for me is that, as much as tremolo might have been important to Crimson and Clover or CCR's Midnight Special, you didn't see Tommy James or John Fogerty deciding that if that sounded good, they should use it in all their music. An effect is only a distinctive sound if if it's used judiciously and only occasionally. I always scratch my head when I see a player devoting precious space on his pedal board for a wah-wah pedal. Other than a few songs like 25 or 6 to 4, or White Room, where the wah-wah is a signature part of how the song should sound, how many other places is it an effect that you need all the time? Some people use a wah as a tone pedal. Sort of like a volume pedal. It doesn't sound like a way when used that way--but you can dial in a tone. I don't do that--but there are people who do. |
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 11, 2021 6:45:23 GMT
.. i can't remember the last time I turned vibrato on... Besides 'Crimson and Clover', what good is it for anyways? View AttachmentTelstar or apache? |
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 11, 2021 7:12:03 GMT
I always scratch my head when I see a player devoting precious space on his pedal board for a wah-wah pedal. Other than a few songs like 25 or 6 to 4, or White Room, where the wah-wah is a signature part of how the song should sound, how many other places is it an effect that you need all the time? I guess you've never played the Therme from Shaft! |
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 11, 2021 13:09:24 GMT
I know people who use tremolo & vibrato on amps quite well Doesn't really suit me though. Maybe I overused it once upon a time--my first amp had one or the other.
I can think of a lot of amps with built-in tremolo (including all those Fender amps with mislabeled 'vibrato' channels), but am hard-pressed to name an amp with built in vibrato. I recall there were one or two, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. And they would probably have been quite expensive.
Vibrato (pitch modulation) was very complicated to do with analog circuitry, but a piece of cake with digital/modeling tech. Tremolo (amplitude modulation) is easy on either platform.
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Post by zontar on Aug 12, 2021 5:03:38 GMT
I know people who use tremolo & vibrato on amps quite well Doesn't really suit me though. Maybe I overused it once upon a time--my first amp had one or the other.
I can think of a lot of amps with built-in tremolo (including all those Fender amps with mislabeled 'vibrato' channels), but am hard-pressed to name an amp with built in vibrato. I recall there were one or two, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. And they would probably have been quite expensive.
Vibrato (pitch modulation) was very complicated to do with analog circuitry, but a piece of cake with digital/modeling tech. Tremolo (amplitude modulation) is easy on either platform.
Well since Vibrato & tremolo were often used interchangeably--you will see both words on amps. Especially Fenders. |
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 12, 2021 16:20:31 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 12, 2021 17:09:32 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. The way I look at it is, I don’t care what the technical definition of the terms are. If the ‘inventor’ or manufacturer calls his product something, then that’s good enough for me. So when Leo came up with a ‘synchronised tremolo’ in 1954, then that’s what it is. To me, those that say it’s not actually tremolo but vibrato are missing the point. Leo gave his product the name of synchronised tremolo. His product, his name. |
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Post by highdeaf on Aug 12, 2021 18:07:19 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. The way I look at it is, I don’t care what the technical definition of the terms are. If the ‘inventor’ or manufacturer calls his product something, then that’s good enough for me. So when Leo came up with a ‘synchronised tremolo’ in 1954, then that’s what it is. To me, those that say it’s not actually tremolo but vibrato are missing the point. Leo gave his product the name of synchronised tremolo. His product, his name.
I can adapt and 'play along'. But that doesn't stop me from wanting more precision.
Or is that accuracy? There's two interchangeable words that confuse most everyone, even people who've studied it, the differences between them being so subtle. I don't find any subtlety in the differences of the definitions of vibrato/tremolo or concrete/cement.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 12, 2021 20:04:13 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. Personally I prefer "beton" |
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 12, 2021 20:05:42 GMT
The way I look at it is, I don’t care what the technical definition of the terms are. If the ‘inventor’ or manufacturer calls his product something, then that’s good enough for me. So when Leo came up with a ‘synchronised tremolo’ in 1954, then that’s what it is. To me, those that say it’s not actually tremolo but vibrato are missing the point. Leo gave his product the name of synchronised tremolo. His product, his name.
I can adapt and 'play along'. But that doesn't stop me from wanting more precision.
Or is that accuracy? There's two interchangeable words that confuse most everyone, even people who've studied it, the differences between them being so subtle. I don't find any subtlety in the differences of the definitions of vibrato/tremolo or concrete/cement.
I see where you are coming from but I also usually call it whatever the manufacturer does |
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Post by laristotle on Aug 12, 2021 21:25:33 GMT
how about the 'wiggle' bar on a Strat? |
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Post by markr on Aug 13, 2021 1:41:19 GMT
Concrete and cement are used interchangeably as well. I still prefer to use the correct terminology wherever I can. Hold on there bubbaloo ! Concrete is a mixture of aggregates, water and CEMENT! I use the reference of bread, do you eat bread or flour? CEMENT is a powder and will remain a powder until water is added to cause hydration to make it a solid and aggregate is added to give strength . |
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