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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 0:31:02 GMT
I just learned that Lollar Pickups has made a name change to one of their pickup sets. The Strat set which traditionally has been called the "Blackface" set has now been renamed the "Sixty four set". Makes you wonder whether other facets of the musical gear industry will react and be renaming other blackface equipment to be more socially correct.
I'm not sure that equipment like Leo's mid-sixties amps being called blackface caused any particular sensitivities among racial or ethnic groups. In fact, I never even made the association until Lollar made a point of it.
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Post by zontar on Aug 3, 2021 0:49:01 GMT
I ust larned that Lollar Pickups has made a name change to one of their pickup sets. The Strat set which traditionally has been called the "Blackface" set has now been renamed the "Sixty four set". Makes you wonder whether other facets of the musical gear industry will react and be renaming other blackface equipment to be more socially correct.
I'm not sure that equipment like Leo's mid-sixties amps being called blackface caused any particular sensitivities among racial or ethnic groups. In fact, I never even made the association until Lollar made a point of it.
Well I don't know that "Blackface" was ever the official name of the amps. Just a designation of the look when they were made. And more used by COllector's --so in Fender's case not as big a deal. But I guess Silverface would still be okay. I think from Lollar's perspective though, it may be better to avoid misunderstanding True, the name has nothing to do with racism, or the old minstrel makeup practice, but Sixty Four Set may actually be more accurate any way. But sometimes you wonder what's next.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 3, 2021 0:52:48 GMT
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Post by zontar on Aug 3, 2021 0:59:45 GMT
Hmm, Although nothing to do with the enslavemnt of human beings.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 3, 2021 1:05:07 GMT
Hmm, Although nothing to do with the enslavemnt of human beings. Welcome to the machine?
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Post by infant on Aug 3, 2021 1:33:20 GMT
It’s funny because I have a Movado watch that my wife bought me for my 50th birthday. If you know Movado watches, their face is usually very plain, all black with a shiny silver moon at the 12:00 position. When we bought mine, they had come out with a matte silver face with the shiny silver moon. I decided on the silver face version because it was rare and I preferred it over the “blackface” version as I thought it looked more “dressy” So a couple of years ago, one of my coworkers, who hailed from Jamaica, noticed my Movado and asked why I bought a silver one and not the black one as he was wearing a black one. Hmm, how do I tell him that they are always black, without making myself sound bigoted? So, I told him exactly what I said here and also that I found that a bright silver watch looks really good on my wrist once I get my summer golfing tan! He laughed and agreed and then told me that he would have bought the silver one if he had seen one at the time just for that same reason.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 3, 2021 7:54:51 GMT
I'd lay even money that someone complained to Lollar about the pickup name and he didn't want to bother with the fight because it wasn't worth it to him. Who could blame him- nobody wants to be single or and smeared online when he's trying to run a business.
At the risk of opening this way up to becoming political, my company started banning the use of certain words, with senior managers conducting huge town halls to say what isn't allowed.
Good lord, has it really come to this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 13:18:12 GMT
I guess the language in blackface/silver face amp conversations has to change.
How does one avoid superficial political meddling in a society where political/social ideology is worn like a badge of unquestionable virtue by superficial people on a narcissistic power trip?
I was just at the Lollar site on Saturday...they were still Blackface on Saturday...lol.
Other than ice cream....what hasn`t been politicized?
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Post by infant on Aug 3, 2021 14:55:21 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 3, 2021 16:10:41 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫 See? You were ahead of the curve!
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Post by laristotle on Aug 3, 2021 16:24:48 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫 Uhm .. what about surfing aliens?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 17:55:41 GMT
Just distraction bait to sell media rags.
If not, then let`s take a sincere look at changing all the names of every city and town in Ontario that has been named after a city or town in Europe...cause...colonialism. I think this stuff runs headlong into nowhere eventually, at least I hope so as it`s pointless. Language police need to take a break for a bit.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 3, 2021 18:26:53 GMT
Language police need to take a break for a bit. I think that they need to be denounced and humiliated so that this crap can stop altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 19:51:44 GMT
Well, their thought police thinking needs a revision at least.
Sending everyone to emotional Shametown repeatedly isn`t healthy for any of us. Accusations and tantrums aren`t thoughtful dialogue...we run the risk of ending up in a darker reality when we reduce our social conversation to village idiot level.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 3, 2021 20:53:25 GMT
Yep. Chicken little thought mentality. lol Screaming louder does not make one right.
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Post by infant on Aug 3, 2021 22:55:13 GMT
Just distraction bait to sell media rags. If not, then let`s take a sincere look at changing all the names of every city and town in Ontario that has been named after a city or town in Europe...cause...colonialism. I think this stuff runs headlong into nowhere eventually, at least I hope so as it`s pointless. Language police need to take a break for a bit. I told my wife that we should open up a printing business as every business along Dundas St in Toronto will need new business cards, letterhead etc. Same with any business in the city of Dundas and any other street or city that gets its name revised. This is getting freakin’ ridiculous. Cleveland Indians are now the Guardians, the Edmonton Eskimos are now the Elks. Joseph Brant was an indigenous leader who owned slaves. Will that mean changing the name of Joe Brant Hospital in Burlington as well as Brant Street in Burlington? Will Brantford Ontario be changing its name? It’s stupid.
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Post by infant on Aug 3, 2021 22:56:34 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫 Uhm .. what about surfing aliens?
Noooooooooooooo!!!
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 4, 2021 5:46:43 GMT
Just distraction bait to sell media rags. If not, then let`s take a sincere look at changing all the names of every city and town in Ontario that has been named after a city or town in Europe...cause...colonialism. I think this stuff runs headlong into nowhere eventually, at least I hope so as it`s pointless. Language police need to take a break for a bit. Can we defund the LANGUAGE police?
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 4, 2021 5:49:19 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫 Uhm .. what about surfing aliens?
Please use the term "undocumented extraterrestrials" henceforth...
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Post by laristotle on Aug 4, 2021 10:39:46 GMT
Just distraction bait to sell media rags. If not, then let`s take a sincere look at changing all the names of every city and town in Ontario that has been named after a city or town in Europe...cause...colonialism. I think this stuff runs headlong into nowhere eventually, at least I hope so as it`s pointless. Language police need to take a break for a bit. Can we defund the LANGUAGE police?
Government and social media move to block platforms for those promoting “misinformation”
“The party that believes that men can get pregnant now wants to control ‘misinformation’ on the internet?”
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Post by Bill h on Aug 7, 2021 20:27:35 GMT
I'd lay even money that someone complained to Lollar about the pickup name and he didn't want to bother with the fight because it wasn't worth it to him. Who could blame him- nobody wants to be single or and smeared online when he's trying to run a business. At the risk of opening this way up to becoming political, my company started banning the use of certain words, with senior managers conducting huge town halls to say what isn't allowed. Good lord, has it really come to this? This has gotten so far out in left field, so incredibly ridiculous I have a hard time talking about it. I’m wondering if a lot of what’s going on is proactive or are people calling in because they are offended. If company’s are being proactive I think they are making things worse, at the same time I understand they are trying to avoid frivolous lawsuits.
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Post by Bill h on Aug 7, 2021 20:31:12 GMT
Just distraction bait to sell media rags. If not, then let`s take a sincere look at changing all the names of every city and town in Ontario that has been named after a city or town in Europe...cause...colonialism. I think this stuff runs headlong into nowhere eventually, at least I hope so as it`s pointless. Language police need to take a break for a bit. I told my wife that we should open up a printing business as every business along Dundas St in Toronto will need new business cards, letterhead etc. Same with any business in the city of Dundas and any other street or city that gets its name revised. This is getting freakin’ ridiculous. Cleveland Indians are now the Guardians, the Edmonton Eskimos are now the Elks. Joseph Brant was an indigenous leader who owned slaves. Will that mean changing the name of Joe Brant Hospital in Burlington as well as Brant Street in Burlington? Will Brantford Ontario be changing its name? It’s stupid. “It’s stupid”, in just two words you have summed the whole thing up nicely.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 7, 2021 21:59:23 GMT
With Dundas, T.O., and the rest of the country, can save a lot of our money by changing the reference to some other Dundas. There must be a Mary or Bob that doesn't have a checkered past out there in our history?
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Post by zontar on Aug 7, 2021 22:12:49 GMT
With Dundas, T.O., and the rest of the country, can save a lot of our money by changing the reference to some other Dundas. There must be a Mary or Bob that doesn't have a checkered past out there in our history? We all have something checkered in our past that would get us "Cancelled"--including the ones doing the cancelling.
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Post by george on Aug 7, 2021 22:23:56 GMT
With Dundas, T.O., and the rest of the country, can save a lot of our money by changing the reference to some other Dundas. There must be a Mary or Bob that doesn't have a checkered past out there in our history? I think it was Billy Bob Dundas who first mixed rye and ginger ale; that's enough of a heritage moment for anyone and right up there with Johnny Mac building the railroad.
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Post by Die Bullen on Aug 8, 2021 7:20:21 GMT
I'd lay even money that someone complained to Lollar about the pickup name and he didn't want to bother with the fight because it wasn't worth it to him. Who could blame him- nobody wants to be single or and smeared online when he's trying to run a business. At the risk of opening this way up to becoming political, my company started banning the use of certain words, with senior managers conducting huge town halls to say what isn't allowed. Good lord, has it really come to this? This has gotten so far out in left field, so incredibly ridiculous I have a hard time talking about it. I’m wondering if a lot of what’s going on is proactive or are people calling in because they are offended. If company’s are being proactive I think they are making things worse, at the same time I understand they are trying to avoid frivolous lawsuits. Completely agree, but again from his standpoint he probably figured "blackface" would cost him sales, someone would complain, or both. At work, the Word "Blackout" is now considered forbidden. On a town hall I asked one of the very senior guys why we would Ban a term that traced back to air raid defence and had no root whatsoever in race relations or stereotyping. His answer was a good one to deflect the question: "we're still Figuring things out"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 14:11:14 GMT
With Dundas, T.O., and the rest of the country, can save a lot of our money by changing the reference to some other Dundas. There must be a Mary or Bob that doesn't have a checkered past out there in our history? Oh there is a simple solution to street names. Avenues east/west Streets north/south All with numbers like the cities in Alberta... I think I`ve been infected with the "I don`t really care anymore, burn it all if it makes you happy..." disease.
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Post by infant on Aug 8, 2021 15:08:57 GMT
I don’t care about what MacDonald, Dundas, Brant or anyone else did 150 yrs ago as that was the norm at the time. It’s appalling to us today but I’m sure that things that we do today will be appalling to people 100 yrs from now. Give your heads a shake people…statues and memorials are not life or death. With all the shit we have going on in this world today, pandemic, fires, natural disasters etc, people have lost their focus. It’s like these billionaires flying into outer space while people in America are selling off their possessions in order to keep a roof over their head and food on the table. Are we supposed to praise Bezos and Branson? In 100 years, they will be vilified because rather than help people in a time of crisis, they decided to go joyriding in their rockets. Sure Bezos gave $1M to two charitable causes a couple of weeks ago but that’s like you and me giving $5 to a guy on the street….it’s pocket change to him.
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Post by markr on Aug 9, 2021 11:46:57 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫 K now your hurting all the old guys feelings because my hair and beard are silver!
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Post by infant on Aug 9, 2021 14:56:08 GMT
I won’t be going around worrying about being PC as my watch and Fender amps are all silverfaces. 🤫 K now your hurting all the old guys feelings because my hair and beard are silver! Don’t worry,….so are mine….
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