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Post by Colchar on Jul 2, 2021 18:00:22 GMT
When I listen to music I can pick out the bass lines pretty easily, often much more easily than I can pick out strum patterns, and bass really makes sense to me. But when I hear the bass by itself, such as when listening to isolated bass tracks, it makes no sense.
For songs with really prominent bass lines (Dazed and Confused, Money, Town Called Malice) it makes sense, but not for other songs.
Here is an example - I am a huge Allman Brothers fan. I have heard Ramblin' Man about a thousand times, but when I listen to Berry's isolated bass track I have no idea what the fuck he is playing!
In this, I get the bass lines:
Here, I haven't the slightest fucking idea what Berry is doing:
I have no idea why I can't seem to get or grasp bass when it is played on its own. I wish I could as I'd happily buy myself another cheap bass to mess around with.
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Post by fretzel on Jul 2, 2021 18:17:27 GMT
That's great. I can barely discern the bass in the mix but hearing it isolated is fantastic.
With bass, a lot of it is root, third, fifth and passing tones. Throwing the fourth in is typically a pretty easy passing tone that won't sound out of place.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 2, 2021 20:05:41 GMT
That's great. I can't barely discern the bass in the mix but hearing it isolated is fantastic. With bass, a lot of it is root, third, fifth and passing tones. Throwing the fourth in is typically a pretty easy passing tone that won't sound out of place. I'd tend to think that bass players would generally have to have a better handle on technical aspects of theory than guitar players. Maybe you could say this about most instruments where you don't simply play chords all the time? |
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Post by johnreardon on Jul 2, 2021 21:10:43 GMT
I played bass for a while in the 60s but rarely play it live these days, just occasionally at a jam.
Whilst nowhere near his technical ability, Iām of the John Entwistle school I.e. play bass like a lead guitarist. Works for me.
When I do demos, I play all the instruments other than drums. I normally do the bass after I put down drums & a basic rhythm. Sometimes I play riffs other times I keep it simple.
This track has a bit of both
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 21:33:26 GMT
I'm basically self-taught as a bass player, so I've learned by sheer willpower rather than by accumulating a lot of theory. There are about half a dozen basic bass patterns that fit most music....What I hear is that Allman Brothers bass player doing is playing a basic pattern and connecting the dots.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 2, 2021 21:43:03 GMT
I'm basically self-taught as a bass player, so I've learned by sheer willpower rather than by accumulating a lot of theory. There are about half a dozen basic bass patterns that fit most music....What I hear is that Allman Brothers bass player doing is playing a basic pattern and connecting the dots. "Connecting the dots" is the easiest way to learn bass for sure. The bassists we play with all play stand up bass, so no dots to connect! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 21:53:42 GMT
Maybe I'm being misunderstood by using the terms "connecting the dots". I'm not so much making some reference of fretboard dots. It's just that when you're playing a basic bass pattern, there tend to be a series of one, two, or three notes that lead you back to the root pattern. Quite often those notes will also coincide with what the drummer's doing, so it helps you to lock in. The trick is to stay solid by doing those fills but not so busy that it steps on what the front line is doing.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 2, 2021 22:25:05 GMT
"Connecting the dots" is the easiest way to learn a little off tangent ..
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 3, 2021 0:27:49 GMT
Maybe I'm being misunderstood by using the terms "connecting the dots". I'm not so much making some reference of fretboard dots. It's just that when you're playing a basic bass pattern, there tend to be a series of one, two, or three notes that lead you back to the root pattern. Quite often those notes will also coincide with what the drummer's doing, so it helps you to lock in. The trick is to stay solid by doing those fills but not so busy that it steps on what the front line is doing. I knew exactly what you were saying- I guess I should have put a š at the end of that one |
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Post by Colchar on Jul 3, 2021 1:51:26 GMT
"Connecting the dots" is the easiest way to learn a little off tangent ..
I've seen that a hundred times but only just now noticed that Exhibit A is, in fact, a diagram of the A chord. |
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Post by zontar on Jul 3, 2021 7:22:42 GMT
"Connecting the dots" is the easiest way to learn a little off tangent ..
It may be a tangent--but it's a good tangent |
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Post by zontar on Jul 3, 2021 7:24:52 GMT
For bass I usually make up my own stuff, unless it's a bass line that makes the song--unless it's an oddball over that is done totally different.
But I still try to learn bass lines & stuff.
It's bro e mindset--it's a bass--and play it like that
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Post by Sinster on Jul 3, 2021 18:03:10 GMT
At least some of it makes sense to you. None of it makes sense to me. I woke up this morning singing an Iron Maiden song.. I know the words, but for the life of me can't put the music to it.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jul 3, 2021 19:33:20 GMT
At least some of it makes sense to you. None of it makes sense to me. I woke up this morning singing an Iron Maiden song.. I know the words, but for the life of me can't put the music to it. I don't know the song you are referring to but could that be because metal heavily uses the locrian scale and half diminished chords? Not getting to sound like a know it all for sure but it might be because they are different kinds of chords than you are used to |
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Post by zontar on Jul 3, 2021 23:35:10 GMT
At least some of it makes sense to you. None of it makes sense to me. I woke up this morning singing an Iron Maiden song.. I know the words, but for the life of me can't put the music to it. So you were singing atonally?  |
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Post by Sinster on Jul 6, 2021 14:25:12 GMT
At least some of it makes sense to you. None of it makes sense to me. I woke up this morning singing an Iron Maiden song.. I know the words, but for the life of me can't put the music to it. So you were singing atonally? Pretty much!  |
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