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Post by zontar on Jun 22, 2021 4:53:58 GMT
The basics of Reverb
Article on reverb, the effect Posted for your perusal & comments. Do you like reverb? Who do you use it? etc, etc, etc.
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Post by johnreardon on Jun 22, 2021 7:33:34 GMT
I don't have reverb on any of my current amps, so the answer is I don't use it.
I did have it on a Mesa & a Fender amp and used a little bit, but I don't miss it.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jun 22, 2021 11:23:09 GMT
I have reverb in a few amps but rarely use it, other than to play around. I've never used it on a gig ever. My new Henriksen amp has built in reverb but I've never had the dial past zero so I can't say if it sounds good or not.
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Post by infant on Jun 22, 2021 12:20:55 GMT
I miss it if it’s not built into the amp. I like to have just a touch so that the guitar doesn’t sound too dry. If the amp doesn’t have reverb, i would normally use a Hermida Audio Reverb pedal, but now that my son took the Champ, he also took the pedal.
There is nothing like a lush tube driven spring reverb like what is found on the old Fender Black/silver face amps. My Deluxe Reverb sounds awesome. My Boss Katana digitally emulates spring, plate and hall reverbs decently but side by side with the DR, there’s a definite difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 13:45:46 GMT
I( feel like reverb's an essential element of an amp. Without it, amps sound dry and uninteresting. I had one person suggest to me that I should remove the reverb tank on my Twin so I could use full-size power tubes instead of the TAD short bottles and I immediately rejected the idea. I probably woudn't consider buying an amp without a spring reverb, and I find the reverb pedals I've heard very limited and artificial compared to amps with a spring tank.
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Post by johnreardon on Jun 22, 2021 14:08:16 GMT
I( feel like reverb's an essential element of an amp. Without it, amps sound dry and uninteresting. I had one person suggest to me that I should remove the reverb tank on my Twin so I could use full-size power tubes instead of the TAD short bottles and I immediately rejected the idea. I probably woudn't consider buying an amp without a spring reverb, and I find the reverb pedals I've heard very limited and artificial compared to amps with a spring tank. I would just add the words ‘to me’ and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just prefer the sound of a guitar straight into a valve amp with minimal EQ adjustments. Light or heavy touch, with fInger bending and vibrato give me all I want.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jun 22, 2021 14:17:46 GMT
I( feel like reverb's an essential element of an amp. Without it, amps sound dry and uninteresting. I had one person suggest to me that I should remove the reverb tank on my Twin so I could use full-size power tubes instead of the TAD short bottles and I immediately rejected the idea. I probably woudn't consider buying an amp without a spring reverb, and I find the reverb pedals I've heard very limited and artificial compared to amps with a spring tank. I would just add the words ‘to me’ and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just prefer the sound of a guitar straight into a valve amp with minimal EQ adjustments. Light or heavy touch, with fInger bending and vibrato give me all I want. And for certain types of marches, reverb just doesn't fit. I could never play Sousa marches with reverb- that sound must be a tight as possible. Maybe I could get away with slight reverb for Dixieland?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 3:24:03 GMT
I( feel like reverb's an essential element of an amp. Without it, amps sound dry and uninteresting. I had one person suggest to me that I should remove the reverb tank on my Twin so I could use full-size power tubes instead of the TAD short bottles and I immediately rejected the idea. I probably woudn't consider buying an amp without a spring reverb, and I find the reverb pedals I've heard very limited and artificial compared to amps with a spring tank. I would just add the words ‘to me’ and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just prefer the sound of a guitar straight into a valve amp with minimal EQ adjustments. Light or heavy touch, with fInger bending and vibrato give me all I want. Sorry, John....No criticism of your sound intended. I sort of assumed that in a forum setting, people would be assumed to be expressing personal feelings about this stuff.
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Post by johnreardon on Jun 23, 2021 7:08:31 GMT
I would just add the words ‘to me’ and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just prefer the sound of a guitar straight into a valve amp with minimal EQ adjustments. Light or heavy touch, with fInger bending and vibrato give me all I want. Sorry, John....No criticism of your sound intended. I sort of assumed that in a forum setting, people would be assumed to be expressing personal feelings about this stuff. Not at all, I was just trying to express how sounds of guitars is all personal. We all have different sounds hitting our ears, some we like others we don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 17:59:00 GMT
I like a little reverb... doesn't matter pedal or onboard, but do prefer the spring tank.
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Post by Bill h on Jun 23, 2021 18:41:54 GMT
I had a reverb pedal once and never used it. It’s an effect I haven’t messed with to much.
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Post by zontar on Jun 24, 2021 3:56:18 GMT
I love reverb, but it is an effect that is easily over used (Although some sings overuse it quite well--some not so much. Truly a little goes a long way. Some of my amps have it, some don't-(Well only one has spring reverb)-so I have a simple & small reverb pedal--I did consider some fancier pedals.
While a real reverb is better, I do like some pedals.
the one I got is some off brand I picked up at a guitar show for quite cheap--it has settings for plate, spring & hall. They all work well--simple control--pick one the three & set the wet & dry levels.
Ina band setting I may not use it -or use it less often. When I'm playing at home--I love to drench things in reverb, but I will back off when recording, maybe even forgo it & add it later. My digital recorder has a basic reverb built in as well.
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Post by infant on Jun 24, 2021 4:38:56 GMT
The thing with reverb is that at some point, it turns from musical to mud, especially in a room that already has natural reverb
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Post by zontar on Jun 24, 2021 4:41:09 GMT
Reverb is often associated with surf music--but many early surf songs didn't have reverb, including early Dick Dale. But later songs certainly had it--some may have overdone it.
Then there's stuff like this:
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Post by zontar on Jun 24, 2021 4:43:08 GMT
The thing with reverb is that at some point, it turns from musical to mud, especially in a room that already has natural reverb That's one reason why a little goes a long way--and definitely the room you're playing should affect whether you use it & how much. I used to live in a house with a partially finished basement. there was no insulation not he unfinished walls--so you had cement floor & walls--and the natural reverb there was fantastic--so I never used it on my map. (I didn't have a reverb pedal at that point.) But for some stuff--yeah--it was too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 2:17:40 GMT
I've got a question about reverb.
When I assembled my 70 Twin into a head cabinet, I had to buy a new Accutronics tank. To be honest, I can't remember whether I went for a long-decay or medium decay tank, but ultimately, my conclusion was that the reverb in my newly assembled Twin Reverb didn't sound nearly as good as the reverb in the 60's Fender amps I listened to when they first came out. I discussed it with some people on TDPRI at the time and the consensus of opinion was that the newer Accustronics tanks don't sound as good as the old ones....Not sure if that's a collective "the old ones always sound better than new ones" argument, or if there's really a difference.
Anyway, I've had no luck in buying a vintage 60's reverb tank, so I'm wondering if there's a modern way to upgrade. Two questions....Does anybody know if the 60's Fender amps came stock with a medium-decay or a long-decay tank.....And, does anybody have an opinion on whether the newer Mod tanks are superior to the current Accutronics tanks?
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Post by Sgt Rock on Jul 13, 2021 4:15:58 GMT
Reverb is often associated with surf music--but many early surf songs didn't have reverb, including early Dick Dale. But later songs certainly had it--some may have overdone it. Then there's stuff like this: Duane Eddy recorded "Rebel Rouser" by putting an amp speaker in a water tank.
in this vodeo(toward the end at 6:26), Duane explains how they recorded the echo.
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Post by zontar on Jul 13, 2021 4:36:16 GMT
Cool videos--thanks for sharing.
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Post by highdeaf on Jul 13, 2021 15:30:19 GMT
Ahhhhh, reverb. My friend and my nemesis.
Reverb was the first effect I had - built into my first amp. I was fascinated. I used that shit on everything. But when I started playing with others, I noticed it was muddying things up, especially if all of the guitar players dialed it in. I don't use reverb in band or jamming situations anymore and haven't in decades. I've had to get bandmates to dial it back a bit 'for the good of the music'. Not an easy conversation, discuss other guitar player's sound.
But two things have changed a bit.
First, some of these new digital reverbs, like Particle Verb or Formant Reverb, are fun to play around with. They are more 'an effect' and less just added ambience. So I'm back to playing around with 'verbs at home on my own because these things are all new.
And, for the first time, I'm in a 3 piece band. I don't use much 'verb but my base sound just about always has some short delay (which is really just long reverb) to fill it out. With another guitar player, I wouldn't be inclined to do this, but as the only guitarist, I find the effect pleasing. At least for now.
But I'm pretty careful, whether it's verb or delay, to add just enough to enhance without being overbearing. I like to just barely hear it. I use other footswitchable delays which are louder and really obvious for solos, etc, but they're switched on and off as necessary.
The same with recording - just enough so that you barely hear it. My DRRI's tube reverb is already too much at 3 on the knob. 2.5 is about my limit. But I know the mid-60s was reverb-crazy.
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Post by infant on Jul 13, 2021 16:38:42 GMT
Ahhhhh, reverb. My friend and my nemesis. Reverb was the first effect I had - built into my first amp. I was fascinated. I used that shit on everything. But when I started playing with others, I noticed it was muddying things up, especially if all of the guitar players dialed it in. I don't use reverb in band or jamming situations anymore and haven't in decades. I've had to get bandmates to dial it back a bit 'for the good of the music'. Not an easy conversation, discuss other guitar player's sound. But two things have changed a bit. First, some of these new digital reverbs, like Particle Verb or Formant Reverb, are fun to play around with. They are more 'an effect' and less just added ambience. So I'm back to playing around with 'verbs at home on my own because these things are all new. And, for the first time, I'm in a 3 piece band. I don't use much 'verb but my base sound just about always has some short delay (which is really just long reverb) to fill it out. With another guitar player, I wouldn't be inclined to do this, but as the only guitarist, I find the effect pleasing. At least for now. But I'm pretty careful, whether it's verb or delay, to add just enough to enhance without being overbearing. I like to just barely hear it. I use other footswitchable delays which are louder and really obvious for solos, etc, but they're switched on and off as necessary. The same with recording - just enough so that you barely hear it. My DRRI's tube reverb is already too much at 3 on the knob. 2.5 is about my limit. But I know the mid-60s was reverb-crazy. I find that with a 3 pc band, a little delay is needed to fill in the empty areas. I’ve found that delay and reverb should not be used simultaneously….one ore the other. On my Katana, I have one channel set up with delay and I’ve totally shut off the reverb. I had to have the “too much reverb” conversation with our keyboard player a few years ago. The bass player and I always felt that his keyboard sounded muddy and so I asked him if he could turn off the reverb on his amp. However, it wasn’t the amp….all of his patches that he had downloaded had that ‘90s keyboard sound with dripping reverb. He’s modified a bunch of them over time but there are some venues that we play that have that “playing in an oil drum” effect (as I would call it) and the keys just sound like mud.
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Post by markr on Oct 28, 2021 11:43:48 GMT
Reverb is often associated with surf music--but many early surf songs didn't have reverb, including early Dick Dale. But later songs certainly had it--some may have overdone it. Then there's stuff like this: Uu i believe that has a fair bit of delay as well?
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Post by zontar on Oct 30, 2021 7:06:11 GMT
Reverb is often associated with surf music--but many early surf songs didn't have reverb, including early Dick Dale. But later songs certainly had it--some may have overdone it. Then there's stuff like this: Uu i believe that has a fair bit of delay as well? Possibly--but definitely reverb...
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Post by markr on Nov 4, 2021 11:37:51 GMT
I like reverb, prefer reverb tank on amp. Defiantly not above digital reverb in the right context.
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Post by zontar on Nov 6, 2021 21:00:33 GMT
I've got a question about reverb. When I assembled my 70 Twin into a head cabinet, I had to buy a new Accutronics tank. To be honest, I can't remember whether I went for a long-decay or medium decay tank, but ultimately, my conclusion was that the reverb in my newly assembled Twin Reverb didn't sound nearly as good as the reverb in the 60's Fender amps I listened to when they first came out. I discussed it with some people on TDPRI at the time and the consensus of opinion was that the newer Accustronics tanks don't sound as good as the old ones....Not sure if that's a collective "the old ones always sound better than new ones" argument, or if there's really a difference. Anyway, I've had no luck in buying a vintage 60's reverb tank, so I'm wondering if there's a modern way to upgrade. Two questions....Does anybody know if the 60's Fender amps came stock with a medium-decay or a long-decay tank.....And, does anybody have an opinion on whether the newer Mod tanks are superior to the current Accutronics tanks? Not sure not he decay--but to get an original Fender reverb tank from back then would likely be a pricey venture. So a modern replica or some such thing is likely the way to go.
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Post by zontar on Nov 6, 2021 21:02:06 GMT
I like reverb, prefer reverb tank on amp. Defiantly not above digital reverb in the right context. Well this is a thread for all reverb, whether natural, old style (Spring, plate, etc) digital, analog, or whatever.
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Post by infant on Nov 6, 2021 21:42:42 GMT
I've got a question about reverb. When I assembled my 70 Twin into a head cabinet, I had to buy a new Accutronics tank. To be honest, I can't remember whether I went for a long-decay or medium decay tank, but ultimately, my conclusion was that the reverb in my newly assembled Twin Reverb didn't sound nearly as good as the reverb in the 60's Fender amps I listened to when they first came out. I discussed it with some people on TDPRI at the time and the consensus of opinion was that the newer Accustronics tanks don't sound as good as the old ones....Not sure if that's a collective "the old ones always sound better than new ones" argument, or if there's really a difference. Anyway, I've had no luck in buying a vintage 60's reverb tank, so I'm wondering if there's a modern way to upgrade. Two questions....Does anybody know if the 60's Fender amps came stock with a medium-decay or a long-decay tank.....And, does anybody have an opinion on whether the newer Mod tanks are superior to the current Accutronics tanks? When you bought the replacement reverb tank, did you get the same “code” as what was on the original? I don’t believe that people can detect a difference between old and new tanks unless they put a different model in the amp. Unlike guitars that are made of wood that is different from piece to piece, these tanks are machine made and consistent from one to the other. They are built to the same specs as they were 60 yrs ago. My 2 cents.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 20:54:48 GMT
I've got a question about reverb. When I assembled my 70 Twin into a head cabinet, I had to buy a new Accutronics tank. To be honest, I can't remember whether I went for a long-decay or medium decay tank, but ultimately, my conclusion was that the reverb in my newly assembled Twin Reverb didn't sound nearly as good as the reverb in the 60's Fender amps I listened to when they first came out. I discussed it with some people on TDPRI at the time and the consensus of opinion was that the newer Accustronics tanks don't sound as good as the old ones....Not sure if that's a collective "the old ones always sound better than new ones" argument, or if there's really a difference. Anyway, I've had no luck in buying a vintage 60's reverb tank, so I'm wondering if there's a modern way to upgrade. Two questions....Does anybody know if the 60's Fender amps came stock with a medium-decay or a long-decay tank.....And, does anybody have an opinion on whether the newer Mod tanks are superior to the current Accutronics tanks? When you bought the replacement reverb tank, did you get the same “code” as what was on the original? I don’t believe that people can detect a difference between old and new tanks unless they put a different model in the amp. Unlike guitars that are made of wood that is different from piece to piece, these tanks are machine made and consistent from one to the other. They are built to the same specs as they were 60 yrs ago. My 2 cents. When I bought my 70 Twin Reverb chassis, it was just that.....chassis, but didn't come with the original cabinet or tank. I looked on the Accutronics site and ordered the correct tank for a Twin....the long three spring unit that's designed to be oriented horizontally, on the flat. Accutronics offered the tank in multiple versions, specified as medium or long decay, but not having the original tank there to compare, I chose (I think) a medium decay. But, it doesn't sound as good as I remember new Twins sounding years ago. All I can tell you is that the reverb on mine seems to sound best set between 4 and 5 on the reverb control, and gets that really exaggerated time-tunnel quality if it's set higher than that. I don't remember new Twins sounding that way back when my amp was new....As I recall, you could set the reverb control at 10 and it would sound echo/surfy but was still usable. That's why I asked if anybody knows what tank Fender was using (assuming that there were choices of the decay at that time).
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Post by infant on Nov 18, 2021 3:09:41 GMT
When you bought the replacement reverb tank, did you get the same “code” as what was on the original? I don’t believe that people can detect a difference between old and new tanks unless they put a different model in the amp. Unlike guitars that are made of wood that is different from piece to piece, these tanks are machine made and consistent from one to the other. They are built to the same specs as they were 60 yrs ago. My 2 cents. When I bought my 70 Twin Reverb chassis, it was just that.....chassis, but didn't come with the original cabinet or tank. I looked on the Accutronics site and ordered the correct tank for a Twin....the long three spring unit that's designed to be oriented horizontally, on the flat. Accutronics offered the tank in multiple versions, specified as medium or long decay, but not having the original tank there to compare, I chose (I think) a medium decay. But, it doesn't sound as good as I remember new Twins sounding years ago. All I can tell you is that the reverb on mine seems to sound best set between 4 and 5 on the reverb control, and gets that really exaggerated time-tunnel quality if it's set higher than that. I don't remember new Twins sounding that way back when my amp was new....As I recall, you could set the reverb control at 10 and it would sound echo/surfy but was still usable. That's why I asked if anybody knows what tank Fender was using (assuming that there were choices of the decay at that time). That’s about right for a silverface Fender. The reverb on my ‘79 Deluxe Reverb is usable to about 5 or 6 and then it just gets muddy-boingy. It’s still the original tank. However, before I replaced the reverb tube a few years ago, I feel it used to get boingy at around 4.
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Post by markr on Dec 6, 2021 22:07:26 GMT
I have been messing with a TC Hall of Fame pedal and I have to say I am digging it. The church and shimmer feature are awesome.
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Post by markr on Dec 6, 2021 22:09:42 GMT
Sorry, between my rural shitty rural internet and old ipad I struggle to manover this forum! Double Tap again!
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