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Post by keto on Jul 13, 2021 20:52:43 GMT
The story of the unmarked graves of children at residential schools is hitting a little loser to home today. On the noon news, there's word that 160 unmarked graves have been found at a former residential school location on Kuper Island. Kuper Island is one of the smaller Gulf Islands off the east coast of Vancouver Island and is part of the Penelekut native band reserve, and is about 15 miles from where I live. It underscores the fact that the discovery of 215 graves at the location of the Kamloops residential school, followed by a larger discovery at a location in Saskatchewan, isn't an isolated case, but merely the tip of the iceberg in this chilling story. I could buy into the story being related on Facebook that in one instance, graves were having markers replaced, and the process was interrupted and never completed, and that the local native band was aware of the grave-sites....But, the repeated discoveries of more bodies being found seems to confirm that there's something horrible that's taken place and it's just now coming to light. As Canadians, we need to make sure this tragedy is fully investigated and not swept under the rug by either the Canadian government or the religious organizations that are culpable in what's happened. As was said, strongly recommend reading the article I linked. -these are not 'new discoveries' -these are not 'mass graves' -in many cases, not just indigenous, rather being old graveyards rediscovered, that serviced the facility or area
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 1:01:08 GMT
I think I've said all I want to say about the subject, but I'll respect your suggestion that any further conversation on the subject be referred to the other forum.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 14, 2021 1:11:25 GMT
Not trying to go out of line as I'm new here but I'm curious, did you read the referenced article? All info needs to be revealed in order to "talk about it".
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Post by highdeaf on Jul 16, 2021 16:51:45 GMT
Tragic circumstances. Made more tragic by the lack of real information and the media's need to one-up each other on the 'sensationalism' front. "If it bleeds, it leads." The general public is so easily lead now. Considering the bigger picture and not getting to bound up in the details, we've taken some steps in the right direction. Although somewhat unfair to compare actions from 100 years ago to our much different ideals of today, some of the more guilty have been outed. www.toronto.com/news-story/10070299-10-canadian-leaders-who-contributed-to-indigenous-oppression/Well, all except one, eh? We still have statues of him no one dares topple. We still have an airport named after him and no foment to change that. Wonder why? While they're at it, they should probably dig into his foundation. As they say: "Follow the renminbi."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 12:48:55 GMT
Good article in my opinion Dave. I was drawn to this paragraph...
"It seems that we have reached a state of affairs in this country where one must question almost all that is being written or reported in the main stream media. It is becoming painfully apparent that almost everyone has an agenda, whether it be political, or social, and, it is permanently warping our ability to trust. Context is almost always missing. Instead, we are being fed polar views delivered by the loudest insistent voices of there being only one truth. In this case, there is the immediate gush of fury, followed by outlandish statements and demands for retribution. There is a palpable governmental and corporate fear of being on the wrong side of any issue and the factual information is lost in the rush to judgement."
The intention of the schools was to assimilate those from another culture into the dominate cultural reality. Yet separating children from their parents isn`t something that I can support morally. Would any of you be complacent if the feds showed up at your door to collect your kids? I think not...
This should have been acknowledged by the feds decades ago, with apologies and compensation. Not that they can atone for their sins, but it would have shown real leadership, accountability and compassion. It wold have helped to keep the peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:42:53 GMT
Oh...I see.
So the conservatives took it upon themselves to take the fall. That is impressive. So how come it didn`t stick?
This is why I`m not bothering with the political forum. The media feeds us rage porn and we salivate and react....and the people who can affect things, laugh long and hard, and give not one fuck regarding our concerns.
I`m sticking to guitars, native affairs and diseases/vaccines have lost their conversational appeal.
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Post by Colchar on Jul 18, 2021 18:12:36 GMT
Good article in my opinion Dave. I was drawn to this paragraph... "It seems that we have reached a state of affairs in this country where one must question almost all that is being written or reported in the main stream media. It is becoming painfully apparent that almost everyone has an agenda, whether it be political, or social, and, it is permanently warping our ability to trust. Context is almost always missing. Instead, we are being fed polar views delivered by the loudest insistent voices of there being only one truth. In this case, there is the immediate gush of fury, followed by outlandish statements and demands for retribution. There is a palpable governmental and corporate fear of being on the wrong side of any issue and the factual information is lost in the rush to judgement." I used to watch CTV News, but can barely do so now. Many native leaders supported the creation of the schools. And full immersion is still considered the best way to learn a language (ie. French immersion schools). It was. The Catholic church apologized too.
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Post by Colchar on Jul 18, 2021 18:13:51 GMT
Oh...I see. So the conservatives took it upon themselves to take the fall. That is impressive. So how come it didn`t stick? Because it doesn't fit the Liberal/progressive narrative and the media love sensationalism.
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Post by northernboy on Jul 19, 2021 14:15:38 GMT
My understanding of this has been that the government dumped this responsibility on to the Catholic and Anglican churches and refused to provide any funding.
Something that is 100% true that maybe a lot of people don't know is that Catholic churches are expected to be self-sufficient and receive zero funding from the diocese they belong to, their Archdiocese, or Rome. All funding is expected to come from parish donations.
Seeing as Canada was a frontier country at the time, it was expected and known that the conditions at these schools were dire to begin with. The Federal government knew about this and provided no help or funding. They basically created the perfect scape goat. That's just my $0.02 on the issue.
Shit rolls down hill as they say.
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Post by Colchar on Jul 19, 2021 16:04:53 GMT
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 19, 2021 17:31:55 GMT
"Taking the Indian out of the Child". Aren't we doing something similar every day now? Are we not taking the "White" out of the child? The "Hetrosexual"?, The "Proud", the "Sensible"? Does the government not grab the child as early as possible and begin to program them?
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Post by Colchar on Jul 19, 2021 19:10:48 GMT
"Taking the Indian out of the Child". Aren't we doing something similar every day now? Are we not taking the "White" out of the child? The "Hetrosexual"?, The "Proud", the "Sensible"? Does the government not grab the child as early as possible and begin to program them? Yes, but it is fine when they are being indoctrinated into whatever faddish belief the woke have latched on to at the time.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 21, 2021 23:43:35 GMT
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Post by george on Jul 22, 2021 1:47:37 GMT
"Taking the Indian out of the Child". Aren't we doing something similar every day now? Are we not taking the "White" out of the child? The "Hetrosexual"?, The "Proud", the "Sensible"? Does the government not grab the child as early as possible and begin to program them? Well said.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 13:39:17 GMT
I read a newspaper article printed in the 1970`s from Saskatchewan. It outlined a conversation that differs greatly from the present one regarding kids that died in the schools. Unfortunately I deleted the article by mistake. It came in a newsletter from a retired Canadian forces patriot. If I see it again I will post it.
The present media and governing bodies in Canada are the lowest form of manipulators I`ve witnessed in my time alive. They know no shame. I hope they burn in hell for the trouble they cause.
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Post by northernboy on Jul 30, 2021 1:13:19 GMT
I read a newspaper article printed in the 1970`s from Saskatchewan. It outlined a conversation that differs greatly from the present one regarding kids that died in the schools. Unfortunately I deleted the article by mistake. It came in a newsletter from a retired Canadian forces patriot. If I see it again I will post it. The present media and governing bodies in Canada are the lowest form of manipulators I`ve witnessed in my time alive. They know no shame. I hope they burn in hell for the trouble they cause. And most people believe everything they say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 12:04:09 GMT
I read a newspaper article printed in the 1970`s from Saskatchewan. It outlined a conversation that differs greatly from the present one regarding kids that died in the schools. Unfortunately I deleted the article by mistake. It came in a newsletter from a retired Canadian forces patriot. If I see it again I will post it. The present media and governing bodies in Canada are the lowest form of manipulators I`ve witnessed in my time alive. They know no shame. I hope they burn in hell for the trouble they cause. And most people believe everything they say. I can`t really comment on that as i don`t know what other people think. What I do know is that the media have become blatant shit disturbers instead of information sources. Fair and unbiased reporting has gone the way of the dinosaur.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 12, 2021 0:21:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 4:44:41 GMT
This whole thing has generated a lot of controversy and some pretty divergent ways of looking at it, but I think, if there's a positive to be found, it's that at least people are talking about it. For so many years, the issues surrounding the residential schools were regretted by people with modern social values, but there's not much that's happened that will give any sense of closure to the people who experienced it. The recent discoveries on residential school properties has highlighted something we need to address.
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Post by zontar on Aug 12, 2021 5:23:34 GMT
This whole thing has generated a lot of controversy and some pretty divergent ways of looking at it, but I think, if there's a positive to be found, it's that at least people are talking about it. For so many years, the issues surrounding the residential schools were regretted by people with modern social values, but there's not much that's happened that will give any sense of closure to the people who experienced it. The recent discoveries on residential school properties has highlighted something we need to address. Well when you consider who late they were still operating and many were not aware of it--yes. It does need to be talked about--but sanely.
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Post by johnreardon on Aug 12, 2021 8:01:22 GMT
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Post by laristotle on Aug 18, 2021 12:06:27 GMT
Trudeau's broken promise of clean water for First Nations“A Canadian government led by me will address this as a top priority because it’s not right in a country like Canada. This has gone on for far too long.”
That top priority was abandoned last October when the government admitted that they would not make the mark.
They have given no updated timeline for when this national travesty will end.
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Post by northernboy on Aug 18, 2021 21:11:54 GMT
Trudeau's broken promise of clean water for First Nations“A Canadian government led by me will address this as a top priority because it’s not right in a country like Canada. This has gone on for far too long.”
That top priority was abandoned last October when the government admitted that they would not make the mark.
They have given no updated timeline for when this national travesty will end. How about free dial up internet instead?
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Post by allthumbs56 on Aug 19, 2021 0:51:48 GMT
Trudeau's broken promise of clean water for First Nations“A Canadian government led by me will address this as a top priority because it’s not right in a country like Canada. This has gone on for far too long.”
That top priority was abandoned last October when the government admitted that they would not make the mark.
They have given no updated timeline for when this national travesty will end. How about free dial up internet instead? Wasn't he buying them canoes the last time?
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Post by northernboy on Aug 19, 2021 1:00:38 GMT
How about free dial up internet instead? Wasn't he buying them canoes the last time? There was something a few years ago about free basic internet for everyone. I just laughed when I heard that.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 19, 2021 9:45:01 GMT
How about free dial up internet instead? Wasn't he buying them canoes the last time? You're both correct
“And when a chief says that to me, I pretty much know they haven’t actually talked to their young people because most young people I’ve talked to want a place to store their canoes and paddles, so they can connect back out on the land,”
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Post by laristotle on Aug 26, 2021 23:49:53 GMT
Ryerson University to change name as board approves task force recommendations Several Indigenous communities have announced that hundreds of unmarked graves have been located at the sites of former residential schools this summer.
A statue of Egerton Ryerson on the university’s campus was torn down by angry protesters in response to the first group of unmarked graves that were uncovered.
The task force recommended that the university not reinstall or restore the statue and suggested instead that it call for proposals on how to rehome the existing pieces to promote educational initiatives.
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Post by laristotle on Aug 31, 2021 11:19:57 GMT
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Post by markr on Sept 12, 2021 1:55:01 GMT
There does not seem to be much consideration in the press anymore regarding the fires of social division they help to create. It would be nice to see media temper their presentations toward a more accurate representation of factual evidence instead of repeatedly feeding on the malcontent reactionary segment of the population. Unmarked graves are the point of exploitation in this...the rest of the details will be overshadowed by the outrage for sometime, until media revenues indicate that the mob is losing interest. Yes...I am a media cynic. I used to watch CTV National News and their Toronto news at 11:00 and 11:30 respectively every night, but I just cannot do it any more because of the sensationalist spin they put on things. I started watching Global, but they do their national news in the evening and not again at night which is a bit useless if anything has happened since their evening broadcast. CTV used to be a well respected news channel back in the day with Lloyd Robertson, they must have changed ownership as they are now just left wing sensationalism supporting our currant governments agenda.
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Post by laristotle on Sept 12, 2021 1:58:48 GMT
I used to watch CTV National News and their Toronto news at 11:00 and 11:30 respectively every night, but I just cannot do it any more because of the sensationalist spin they put on things. I started watching Global, but they do their national news in the evening and not again at night which is a bit useless if anything has happened since their evening broadcast. CTV used to be a well respected news channel back in the day with Lloyd Robertson, they must have changed ownership as they are now just left wing sensationalism supporting our currant governments agenda. Of course. They got a slice of the gov't's $600M pie.
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