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Post by zontar on May 21, 2021 4:35:50 GMT
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Post by johnreardon on May 21, 2021 8:55:22 GMT
I've never had a music teacher, even in school, but I would agree with his sentiments
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Post by Die Bullen on May 21, 2021 11:41:01 GMT
BAsed on my son's experience with teachers and jazz, I'd tend to agree
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Post by zontar on May 24, 2021 6:56:56 GMT
I always encouraged my students to learn form a variety of sources. I know it helped me.
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Post by Die Bullen on May 24, 2021 11:27:01 GMT
I always encouraged my students to learn form a variety of sources. I know it helped me. One of my son's former teachers actually encouraged occasionally getting a lesson with a different guy when possible, even if just once and to get their perspective.
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Post by zontar on May 25, 2021 0:47:46 GMT
I've heard people say they were completely self taught--bty which they normally mean they never had formal lessons--btu they aren't completely self taught--they learned from others and on their own as well.
Hopefully nobody is completed taught by formal lessons, but learned from other sources--and they went looking for it as well.
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Post by Bill h on May 25, 2021 4:16:53 GMT
I really wish I had taken lessons when I was young, I’m don’t have a natural talent for playing guitar, lessons would have helped a lot.
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Post by johnreardon on May 25, 2021 8:30:24 GMT
I've heard people say they were completely self taught--bty which they normally mean they never had formal lessons--btu they aren't completely self taught--they learned from others and on their own as well. Hopefully nobody is completed taught by formal lessons, but learned from other sources--and they went looking for it as well. We learned from listening to 45 singles. We used Apache to both help tune and also pick out the notes. I can honestly say, at least in the early days, I never learned from anybody else physically. It was always play by ear from listening to records. The singer had the hardest job, picking up the lyrics. The rest of the band played our version of whatever song we did. In other words, we tried to make every song our own.
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Post by Die Bullen on May 25, 2021 12:05:04 GMT
I really wish I had taken lessons when I was young, I’m don’t have a natural talent for playing guitar, lessons would have helped a lot. Truth is, you still could take a one-off lesson now if you wanted to- no shame in that. I've played guitar since I was a teenager, but about 12-13 years ago I was struggling with some stuff that I really needed to learn and the guy I had a lesson with was extremely helpful. I also had lessons for classical guitar too for about a year around the same time period. Different guy and he taught me some very different stuff.
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Post by Die Bullen on May 25, 2021 12:05:31 GMT
I've heard people say they were completely self taught--bty which they normally mean they never had formal lessons--btu they aren't completely self taught--they learned from others and on their own as well. Hopefully nobody is completed taught by formal lessons, but learned from other sources--and they went looking for it as well. We learned from listening to 45 singles. We used Apache to both help tune and also pick out the notes. I can honestly say, at least in the early days, I never learned from anybody else physically. It was always play by ear from listening to records. The singer had the hardest job, picking up the lyrics. The rest of the band played our version of whatever song we did. In other words, we tried to make every song our own.Goodness, that sounds like JAZZ
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Post by johnreardon on May 25, 2021 12:22:40 GMT
We learned from listening to 45 singles. We used Apache to both help tune and also pick out the notes. I can honestly say, at least in the early days, I never learned from anybody else physically. It was always play by ear from listening to records. The singer had the hardest job, picking up the lyrics. The rest of the band played our version of whatever song we did. In other words, we tried to make every song our own.Goodness, that sounds like JAZZ It was in the early days and even now
We just called it improvisation
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Post by Die Bullen on May 25, 2021 16:56:17 GMT
Goodness, that sounds like JAZZ It was in the early days and even now
We just called it improvisation
Don't worry- your secret is safe with me!
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Post by johnreardon on May 25, 2021 17:13:00 GMT
It was in the early days and even now
We just called it improvisation
Don't worry- your secret is safe with me! I actually have a pet ‘hate’ & that is those bands who try to cover a song just like the record. Why? If I wanted to hear a song like the record, I would just buy the record. Yes there may be aspects of a song you may wish to retain, but I much prefer interpretations. Like this
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Post by Die Bullen on May 25, 2021 20:29:21 GMT
Don't worry- your secret is safe with me! I actually have a pet ‘hate’ & that is those bands who try to cover a song just like the record. Why? If I wanted to hear a song like the record, I would just buy the record. Yes there may be aspects of a song you may wish to retain, but I much prefer interpretations. Like this I agree. Even songs that we don't improvise on, like Sousa marches, we put our own spin on them. We kind of have to when 3 horns and a guitar are covering music written for 120 piece bands
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Post by zontar on May 26, 2021 6:02:45 GMT
I've heard people say they were completely self taught--bty which they normally mean they never had formal lessons--btu they aren't completely self taught--they learned from others and on their own as well. Hopefully nobody is completed taught by formal lessons, but learned from other sources--and they went looking for it as well. We learned from listening to 45 singles. We used Apache to both help tune and also pick out the notes. I can honestly say, at least in the early days, I never learned from anybody else physically. It was always play by ear from listening to records. The singer had the hardest job, picking up the lyrics. The rest of the band played our version of whatever song we did. In other words, we tried to make every song our own. SO, yeah--no formal lessons--but you learned from records & each other--which is cool. And in your case it worked. Different approaches work for different people--good to hear you found one that did work.
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Post by zontar on May 26, 2021 6:08:29 GMT
Don't worry- your secret is safe with me! I actually have a pet ‘hate’ & that is those bands who try to cover a song just like the record. Why? If I wanted to hear a song like the record, I would just buy the record. Yes there may be aspects of a song you may wish to retain, but I much prefer interpretations. Like this Often he original band doesn't play it like the record when they play it live--even if it is real similar. For the most part I prefer covers to be their own thing--even if I don''t like the result--but when it works--well--it's fantastic. On the other hand I don't really like the original version--but for some reason Faith No More's almost spot on cover works for me. There's a slight difference in feel & phrasing--but it's very close.
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