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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 5:01:23 GMT
By the way, this is more of a Tele item, but this is the other way you use a Strat boat-jack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 5:01:59 GMT
Oops, duplicate post.
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Post by zontar on Mar 2, 2021 5:51:50 GMT
I just remembered too, when I bought mine I had a very large tone cap installed to improve the low end. I must admit, my strat with flat 11's plays marvelously. Wow 11’s, I tried that many years ago on the explorer I had, aside from having to tweak the truss they were just to much for my fingers. I’ve never experimented with the electronics in a guitar with the exception of my strat p/u’s which I had done for me. You guys have way more knowledge in that area then I do. Certainly there is a variety of string gauge preferences here. I do ahem 11-50 on my LP copy which I use for open G. But normally I use more regular gauges (10-52 on my arch top though)
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Post by zontar on Mar 2, 2021 5:55:37 GMT
I find it a bit puzzling that Fender has stuck almost exclusively with the boat jack mounted on the face of the Strat. The fact that they've occasionally built models with a side-mounted jack means it's possible from a production standpoint, and that angle-mounted front jack has always represented a potential problem with some types of cables. I've tended to adopt the flipped boat jack plate as a solution, but the fact that Fender's stuck with this fashion-over-functionality for decades is hard to understand. I've seen people do that--and I've heard of people that love the way they do the Strats (Actually my fretless bass is similar, but carved out--not a metal jack (So you couldn't flip it) I've never had any issues with nay of my cables. Takes all kinds I guess.
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 2, 2021 12:18:20 GMT
I think the larger edge radius on the Strat made it difficult to use the cup jack from the Tele as there isn’t enough “flat” surface to mount it. I remember there being a series of Strat that was bit stripped down....It had two controls instead of three and the jack boat was gone, with the jack in the edge of the body. I thought I remembered it being an American model that they only produced for a year or two, but I might be mistaken....Maybe an MIJ or Korean-made model. I should go looking online, just for fun.
Okay, it's faulty memory on my part....It was done on an 83 Stratocaster. THis is at the end of what's known as the "Dan Smith era" and they were made in the USA. There's only two knobs, but the second tone position at the bottom is replaced by a jack in the pickguard.
I wonder if these models are popular? They seem like something most strat guys would eschew, like the 3 bolt neckplates
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 2, 2021 12:18:58 GMT
I find it a bit puzzling that Fender has stuck almost exclusively with the boat jack mounted on the face of the Strat. The fact that they've occasionally built models with a side-mounted jack means it's possible from a production standpoint, and that angle-mounted front jack has always represented a potential problem with some types of cables. I've tended to adopt the flipped boat jack plate as a solution, but the fact that Fender's stuck with this fashion-over-functionality for decades is hard to understand. I've seen people do that--and I've heard of people that love the way they do the Strats (Actually my fretless bass is similar, but carved out--not a metal jack (So you couldn't flip it) I've never had any issues with nay of my cables. Takes all kinds I guess. I never really had cable issues with my strat either...
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Post by Bill h on Mar 2, 2021 16:37:57 GMT
Learn something new every day, didn’t know they referred to it as a “boat jack”. Never had a problem with mine, in fact, I think it works out great as far as guiding the cable to the rear so you can loop it thru your strap while still being up front and less of an issue on a guitar stand.
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 2, 2021 16:58:40 GMT
Learn something new every day, didn’t know they referred to it as a “boat jack”. Never had a problem with mine, in fact, I think it works out great as far as guiding the cable to the rear so you can loop it thru your strap while still being up front and less of an issue on a guitar stand. That's what I do too- loop it through the strap
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Post by infant on Mar 2, 2021 19:40:15 GMT
I've seen people do that--and I've heard of people that love the way they do the Strats (Actually my fretless bass is similar, but carved out--not a metal jack (So you couldn't flip it) I've never had any issues with nay of my cables. Takes all kinds I guess. I never really had cable issues with my strat either... I kinda like the boat jack that are used on Strats. It creates a sleek low profile look. It’s only weird if you are running a right angle jack out from it.
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Post by zontar on Mar 4, 2021 1:16:41 GMT
I never really had cable issues with my strat either... I kinda like the boat jack that are used on Strats. It creates a sleek low profile look. It’s only weird if you are running a right angle jack out from it. And even then it depends on the plugs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 4:25:29 GMT
One thing that I'm not really crazy about on Strats is the overhanging fretboard on 22 fret models. I makes pickguard removal just that much more of an issue.
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Post by zontar on Mar 6, 2021 0:43:40 GMT
One thing that I'm not really crazy about on Strats is the overhanging fretboard on 22 fret models. I makes pickguard removal just that much more of an issue. Never bothered me, but then I probably don’t remove pickguards as often as you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 6:09:42 GMT
It's not as big an issue on a Strat that has a swimming pool rout, which I think they did for quite a while, but in a Strat body that routed for three single coil pickups, it can be awkward to move the guard out from under the overhanging fretboard because the body routs/pickup contact restrict how far things'll move.
I've proved to myself on several of my Strats that if I have to do a teardown, it's important not to disturb the neck/body if at all possible. So, it's nice to be able to remove the pickguard and not have to touch the neck joint. I've done major changes and rehabilitation of guitars where things were perfect with no setup of action or intonation afterward.
I have a belief that guitars having a 'settling-in" process. When they're first assembled, they don't play their best because it takes time for the body, neck and other hardware to become cohesive. And, I'm not talking about setting things up or tweaking....I'm trying to describe something almost intangible that happens when the parts begin to marry and acquire a symmetry.
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Post by infant on Mar 6, 2021 15:39:51 GMT
I agree with Ken. This is also true on Telecasters, especially the ones with the neck pickup screwed into the pick guard. My 75 Tele is a 21 fret and even though I can remove the PG without removing the strings, it still needs to be lifted straight up before I can slide it out.
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Post by zontar on Mar 6, 2021 23:03:57 GMT
My Mustang is 22 frets and it isn't an issue--btu different shapes & all that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 6:19:35 GMT
I guess one thing that I don't care for is that they're sooooo common. They're kinda like attitudes and a______s......Everybody's got one. As much as Fender's tried to make distinctions by offering up 'way too many models, and virtually every competitive manufacturer has a version, there's a kind of ho-hum quality to them. It's hard to build a Strat-style guitar that stands out as being really different or hugely better.
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 8, 2021 12:20:04 GMT
I guess one thing that I don't care for is that they're sooooo common. They're kinda like attitudes and a______s......Everybody's got one. As much as Fender's tried to make distinctions by offering up 'way too many models, and virtually every competitive manufacturer has a version, there's a kind of ho-hum quality to them. It's hard to build a Strat-style guitar that stands out as being really different or hugely better. I can agree with that one. Their being so common was one reason I avoided them for so long- although mine is a really nice one and I love to play it
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Post by Bill h on Mar 8, 2021 16:58:21 GMT
I guess one thing that I don't care for is that they're sooooo common. They're kinda like attitudes and a______s......Everybody's got one. As much as Fender's tried to make distinctions by offering up 'way too many models, and virtually every competitive manufacturer has a version, there's a kind of ho-hum quality to them. It's hard to build a Strat-style guitar that stands out as being really different or hugely better. I can agree with that one. Their being so common was one reason I avoided them for so long- although mine is a really nice one and I love to play it In my youth I thought I would never ever own a strat. As my taste in music changed, so did my taste in guitars. Bought my first one in 2000, haven’t put it down much since.
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Post by zontar on Mar 8, 2021 22:02:10 GMT
I guess one thing that I don't care for is that they're sooooo common. They're kinda like attitudes and a______s......Everybody's got one. As much as Fender's tried to make distinctions by offering up 'way too many models, and virtually every competitive manufacturer has a version, there's a kind of ho-hum quality to them. It's hard to build a Strat-style guitar that stands out as being really different or hugely better. But they are classics. So that doesn't bother me. Although I don't own one and actually prefer the Mustang.
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 9, 2021 0:52:07 GMT
I can agree with that one. Their being so common was one reason I avoided them for so long- although mine is a really nice one and I love to play it In my youth I thought I would never ever own a strat. As my taste in music changed, so did my taste in guitars. Bought my first one in 2000, haven’t put it down much since. That's exactly how I felt! I always preferred the Tele to the strat until I had both and realized I liked the strat more
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Post by infant on Mar 9, 2021 5:47:24 GMT
To me, a Strat is probably the most comfortable guitar I have ever played. As I said earlier, if I ever get another one, I would change it to a single volume, single tone control and move the volume control where the middle pot currently resides. The current location of the volume is where I tend to place my pinky and I always find myself unintentionally turning the volume down.
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Post by zontar on Mar 9, 2021 7:55:31 GMT
To me, a Strat is probably the most comfortable guitar I have ever played. As I said earlier, if I ever get another one, I would change it to a single volume, single tone control and move the volume control where the middle pot currently resides. The current location of the volume is where I tend to place my pinky and I always find myself unintentionally turning the volume down. I find the Iceman the most comfortable guitar I have ever played--but Strats are way up there as well.
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 9, 2021 12:09:47 GMT
To me, a Strat is probably the most comfortable guitar I have ever played. As I said earlier, if I ever get another one, I would change it to a single volume, single tone control and move the volume control where the middle pot currently resides. The current location of the volume is where I tend to place my pinky and I always find myself unintentionally turning the volume down. If I got to design a strat I think I would move the 5 position switch, which I often accidentally hit putting the guitar from position 1 to position 2 at the worst times
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Post by johnreardon on Mar 9, 2021 12:21:02 GMT
To me, a Strat is probably the most comfortable guitar I have ever played. As I said earlier, if I ever get another one, I would change it to a single volume, single tone control and move the volume control where the middle pot currently resides. The current location of the volume is where I tend to place my pinky and I always find myself unintentionally turning the volume down. If I got to design a strat I think I would move the 5 position switch, which I often accidentally hit putting the guitar from position 1 to position 2 at the worst times Don't forget that where that switch is located caused the 5 position to come into existence. My first Strat just had a 3 position switch and it's only by people accidentally knocking them, as I often did, led to the discovery that you could have in between positions.
I don't know whether Fender realised or not, but it was a revelation to many of us when the switch jammed in the middle and you got this funny quacky sound. My switch was quite stiff to move so it often stuck where your hand hit it when playing rhythm
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 9, 2021 12:25:51 GMT
If I got to design a strat I think I would move the 5 position switch, which I often accidentally hit putting the guitar from position 1 to position 2 at the worst times Don't forget that where that switch is located caused the 5 position to come into existence. My first Strat just had a 3 position switch and it's only by people accidentally knocking them, as I often did, led to the discovery that you could have in between positions.
I don't know whether Fender realised or not, but it was a revelation to many of us when the switch jammed in the middle and you got this funny quacky sound. My switch was quite stiff to move so it often stuck where your hand hit it when playing rhythm
...which is all cool but believe me if I am playing a big band tune and I accidentally switch from pos 1 to pos 2 people actually notice
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Post by johnreardon on Mar 9, 2021 12:43:36 GMT
Don't forget that where that switch is located caused the 5 position to come into existence. My first Strat just had a 3 position switch and it's only by people accidentally knocking them, as I often did, led to the discovery that you could have in between positions.
I don't know whether Fender realised or not, but it was a revelation to many of us when the switch jammed in the middle and you got this funny quacky sound. My switch was quite stiff to move so it often stuck where your hand hit it when playing rhythm
...which is all cool but believe me if I am playing a big band tune and I accidentally switch from pos 1 to pos 2 people actually notice I don't doubt that.
I always knocked the switch when playing just two songs. Peggy Sue and Not Fade Away. My hand always gravitated towards the switch when playing fast rhythm. I often cut the skin on my right little finger by grazing against the switch, especially if I had knocked the switch tip off.
With Les Pauls, my hand wanders near the bridge and get the same grazed skin on my little finger.
I still have sore red skin from doing a staccato type rhythm on this track when I recorded it over a month ago.
Not sure if you can see it on this pic, but it's where I have drawn the black line. It's my right hand, even though it looks left in the mirrored pic
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 9, 2021 13:09:30 GMT
...which is all cool but believe me if I am playing a big band tune and I accidentally switch from pos 1 to pos 2 people actually notice I don't doubt that.
I always knocked the switch when playing just two songs. Peggy Sue and Not Fade Away. My hand always gravitated towards the switch when playing fast rhythm. I often cut the skin on my right little finger by grazing against the switch, especially if I had knocked the switch tip off.
With Les Pauls, my hand wanders near the bridge and get the same grazed skin on my little finger.
I still have sore red skin from doing a staccato type rhythm on this track when I recorded it over a month ago.
Not sure if you can see it on this pic, but it's where I have drawn the black line. It's my right hand, even though it looks left in the mirrored pic
ouch! Yeah my playing style is pretty much chunking, and some of the fast Dixie and Vaudeville tunes are very fast in 2. That gets to be very demanding for a 4-5 minute song. It is very easy for be to slip and hit the switch on a downbeat
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Post by infant on Mar 9, 2021 14:46:14 GMT
Ha....wimps! At least you didn’t impale your hand on a whammy bar like Pete Townsend did!!
My strumming hand is pretty calm. I don’t attack the guitar like Bruce Spingsteen or others do. I’m more of a “wristy” player. I used to rest my hand on the ashtray of my old Telecaster and once I started palm muting, I would rest it around the bridge or hover over it to strum.
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Post by zontar on Mar 9, 2021 22:08:36 GMT
...which is all cool but believe me if I am playing a big band tune and I accidentally switch from pos 1 to pos 2 people actually notice I don't doubt that.
I always knocked the switch when playing just two songs. Peggy Sue and Not Fade Away. My hand always gravitated towards the switch when playing fast rhythm. I often cut the skin on my right little finger by grazing against the switch, especially if I had knocked the switch tip off.
With Les Pauls, my hand wanders near the bridge and get the same grazed skin on my little finger.
I still have sore red skin from doing a staccato type rhythm on this track when I recorded it over a month ago.
Not sure if you can see it on this pic, but it's where I have drawn the black line. It's my right hand, even though it looks left in the mirrored pic
My first bass is an EB 3 copy with the big mudbucker pickup I would usually rest my thumb on it & play with my fingers There have been times I got a blister from hitting the screw on the corner of the cover
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Post by johnreardon on Mar 10, 2021 9:14:22 GMT
Ha....wimps! At least you didn’t impale your hand on a whammy bar like Pete Townsend did!! My strumming hand is pretty calm. I don’t attack the guitar like Bruce Spingsteen or others do. I’m more of a “wristy” player. I used to rest my hand on the ashtray of my old Telecaster and once I started palm muting, I would rest it around the bridge or hover over it to strum. Back in 2017, we played a festival in a place called Brentwood, which is in Essex, England.
Whilst trying to get something out of a flight case the lid banged down heavily on my left thumb. I lifted the lid back up, went dizzy falling back onto the door entrance. When my eyes opened, I fully expected to see half of my thumb missing, but luckily it was still there, just covered in blood.
Couple of the others walked me into see our own Doc, Bob Teague who played Keys, who cleaned it up and diagnosed no bones broken. He put a cold compress on it and also gave me some pain killers.
I was still feeling quite faint so one of the stage crew insisted on taking me to the site medics, who confirmed what Bob had diagnosed and sprayed something on to dull the pain as well as plastering the main cut.
Luckily all this had happened late morning and we weren't on stage until 6 pm. Initially I couldn't move the thumb but after an hour or so the pain subsided and I managed to get some movement back.
By the time we went on, the pain wasn't too bad. The main issue I had was the thumb wasn't as flexible as normal, especially with a plaster and electrician tape wrapped around it. I managed to play most of my solos without a problem, expect one when the plaster got caught in a string. By the time it freed, I lost where I was or supposed to be, which then caused 'interesting' challenges for the others. Suffice to say, it was jazz for a minute or so.
Driving home, the pain picked up again. I should have really stopped and taken something, but didn't. The next day it wasn't too bad, the thumb was just a bit stiff, but not really that painful. It's taught me to be extremely careful with flight cases. If it had happened a lot nearer our set time, I couldn't have played.
I think I should have had stitches as I still have a white scar of about half an inch that's quite ridged.
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