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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 16:31:40 GMT
Hey like I said, for some it might be a great fit for some. But who am I to talk? People trash the peavey classic 30 all over the place and I found the amp to be pretty good sounding, especially when the speaker is replaced I love the Blues Jrs I've tried. But yeah--I may be going for a different sound. I'd also like a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister. Those are even nicer--but a fair bit pricier, even used. All a matter of headroom. I basically need clean all the way up. The Blues jr will definitely give you distortion at low volumes- and you wouldn't be gigging with it anyway
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 16:33:46 GMT
That amp is gorgeous John. I don’t think it was meant to be used at gigs as it looks like a piece of furniture. When Fender put out my ‘72 Thinline FSR, they also put out a Pro Junior with a wood cabinet and matching finish. They looked beautiful together. I kept searching for one and I finally saw one on Kijiji. However,,the guy was asking more than double the price of the original amp and I wasn’t gonna pay that. I’m still looking because I wouldn’t mind having the matching set. Speaking of wooden cabinets, do you guys remember Legend Amplifiers? Tube preamp, SS power amp. Came as combos or piggyback. I’ve only seen a handful of these over the years. View AttachmentIt was Rob. I would have kept it, but to be honest at the time I had 26 guitars plus 3 of my sons in my loft music room. More than a bit tight, so it had to go. 14 of the guitars have gone as well I'm there too John. Just too much stuff!
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Post by infant on Jan 17, 2021 19:33:18 GMT
I had my sons guitars and amps here for the longest time. He took his guitars and bass when he moved into his house 3 yrs ago. Then two weeks ago he came to pick up his amps. It has now opened up some space in my music corner. I still have some of his pedals, a talk box, keyboard and mandolin but they are all in the storage room except for the mandolin.
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 22:12:31 GMT
I love the Blues Jrs I've tried. But yeah--I may be going for a different sound. I'd also like a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister. Those are even nicer--but a fair bit pricier, even used. All a matter of headroom. I basically need clean all the way up. The Blues jr will definitely give you distortion at low volumes- and you wouldn't be gigging with it anyway Why couldn't you gig with it? If you had a PA especially. Lots of pros & big names use small amps & mic them through the PA. And some amps have an XLR out you would hook to the PA--essentially making your amp a DI with a speaker. And without a PA? that depends on the setting & other instruments. keep in mind a 50 watt amp is not 3 point something times as loud as a 15 watt amp. And a 100 watt amp is not 5 times as loud as my 20 watt Orange head. But if you can go through a PA--or even if you have an extension cabinet, you can sometimes get away with lower wattage--again depending on the setting. I've jammed on bass with a 10 watt practice amp and was heard--although we didn't have the stereotypical loud drummer.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 22:27:30 GMT
All a matter of headroom. I basically need clean all the way up. The Blues jr will definitely give you distortion at low volumes- and you wouldn't be gigging with it anyway Why couldn't you gig with it? If you had a PA especially. Lots of pros & big names use small amps & mic them through the PA. Yes, that's true, you could always mic it. Obviously we are all accustomed to different setups. For >90% of our gigs I play with the amp and don't even run it through the PA because my mixer doesn't allow for more than 4x XLR inputs. So basically I have 3x horns and then a mic for announcements. When I have a 4th horn, I have to settle with using an XLR to 1/4 jack to the board for the announcements and I have to almost peg the gain. Not ideal but until last year I didn't need to bring the PA out because most of the gigs were indoors. So that's why I answered that way- I am trying to keep things as simple as possible for myself! If you did gig with it I think you'd almost have to mic it
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Post by infant on Jan 18, 2021 2:26:33 GMT
I have heard that if you are looking for some clean tones, the Blues/Pro Junior amps aren’t the greatest. Our drummer is loud and he used to drown out my 65watt Peavey Studio Pro at rehearsals. I don’t think the Juniors would be able to keep up. I mentioned elsewhere that we don’t have a sound man so I don’t like micing the amp as we have no idea what the FOH volume is like.
Zontar is correct in that doubling the wattage doesn’t make it twice as loud. Rule of thumb is is that doubling the wattage only bumps the volume 3-4db.
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Post by zontar on Jan 18, 2021 5:29:39 GMT
Well having a Roland JC 60, I have a superb clean amp--and I like the sound with distortion pedals as well. It is loud enough to jam & gig with--although against a half stack it can be obscured with the 4 speakers outnumbering me, so I just crank it a bit.
So a Blues Jr would be cool--as would the H&K Tubemeister
My Orange Micro Dark though does great with dirt--whether by amp or pedal. It does clean--with some adjustment of the controls.
the Blues Jr or H&K would simply be to give me another flavour.
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Post by johnreardon on Jan 18, 2021 10:23:08 GMT
All a matter of headroom. I basically need clean all the way up. The Blues jr will definitely give you distortion at low volumes- and you wouldn't be gigging with it anyway Why couldn't you gig with it? If you had a PA especially. Lots of pros & big names use small amps & mic them through the PA. And some amps have an XLR out you would hook to the PA--essentially making your amp a DI with a speaker. And without a PA? that depends on the setting & other instruments. keep in mind a 50 watt amp is not 3 point something times as loud as a 15 watt amp. And a 100 watt amp is not 5 times as loud as my 20 watt Orange head. But if you can go through a PA--or even if you have an extension cabinet, you can sometimes get away with lower wattage--again depending on the setting. I've jammed on bass with a 10 watt practice amp and was heard--although we didn't have the stereotypical loud drummer. There are some who gig with Blues Juniors obviously miced up. Seen quite a few bands on youtube do it. Have no idea who this lot are, but they seem to be at a club.
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Post by johnreardon on Jan 18, 2021 10:32:21 GMT
All a matter of headroom. I basically need clean all the way up. The Blues jr will definitely give you distortion at low volumes- and you wouldn't be gigging with it anyway Why couldn't you gig with it? If you had a PA especially. Lots of pros & big names use small amps & mic them through the PA. And some amps have an XLR out you would hook to the PA--essentially making your amp a DI with a speaker. And without a PA? that depends on the setting & other instruments. keep in mind a 50 watt amp is not 3 point something times as loud as a 15 watt amp. And a 100 watt amp is not 5 times as loud as my 20 watt Orange head.
But if you can go through a PA--or even if you have an extension cabinet, you can sometimes get away with lower wattage--again depending on the setting.
I've jammed on bass with a 10 watt practice amp and was heard--although we didn't have the stereotypical loud drummer.
Agree. A rough rule of thumb is 100 watts is twice as loud as 10 watts so a 15 watt appears to be not that far behind. It's really the headroom that makes a difference with bigger amps.
In the 60s while I started with a Vox AC30, I ended up with a Marshall 100 watt head driving a 8x10 cab + a Carslboro 100 watt head driving two 4x12 PA columns. I thought I was really loud, but in reality my current 36 watt head driving twp 1x12 cabs is probably just as loud.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 18, 2021 14:20:08 GMT
Hey like I said, if it works for go, go with it!
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Post by zontar on Jan 19, 2021 7:42:01 GMT
Well, as long as you have a cool amp.
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Post by infant on Jan 22, 2021 3:24:07 GMT
I finally got a pic of my Deluxe Reverb. It's stock except for the Cannabis Rex speaker. I've added tilt back legs and metal corners but they don't affect the sound. This is my favourite of all the amps I have ever owned.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 22, 2021 12:34:39 GMT
I finally got a pic of my Deluxe Reverb. It's stock except for the Cannabis Rex speaker. I've added tilt back legs and metal corners but they don't affect the sound. This is my favourite of all the amps I have ever owned. View Attachment very cool- what year is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 17:54:59 GMT
I like those Deluxe Reverbs. I'm convinced they're a whole lot better amp than the reissues. I wish I'd had the foresight to by a Deluxe Reverb or a Vibrolux Reverb before they started escalating price-wise.
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Post by infant on Jan 22, 2021 20:51:54 GMT
I finally got a pic of my Deluxe Reverb. It's stock except for the Cannabis Rex speaker. I've added tilt back legs and metal corners but they don't affect the sound. This is my favourite of all the amps I have ever owned. View Attachment very cool- what year is it? It’s a ‘79. I bought it around 1996 and it was like a closet classic....the guy never had it out of his basement so it was near mint. I had my tech look at it and change the filter caps. Then two years ago, I had my new tech take a look at it and change all the original electrolytic caps as well as the 22 year old filter caps as I wanted to make sure it had a clean bill of health before I started gigging with it again.
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Post by infant on Jan 22, 2021 21:51:47 GMT
I like those Deluxe Reverbs. I'm convinced they're a whole lot better amp than the reissues. I wish I'd had the foresight to by a Deluxe Reverb or a Vibrolux Reverb before they started escalating price-wise. When I bought mine, I was working with a guy who owned an actual ‘65 Deluxe Reverb (not a RI) and he told me to keep my eyes open for a silverface one as they are almost identical to his vintage one. A few months later I found this one at a local mom and pop shop and so I snapped it up. I fell in love with everything about it except the pull boost, so that is the one thing I don’t use.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 22, 2021 22:05:01 GMT
very cool- what year is it? It’s a ‘79. I bought it around 1996 and it was like a closet classic....the guy never had it out of his basement so it was near mint. I had my tech look at it and change the filter caps. Then two years ago, I had my new tech take a look at it and change all the original electrolytic caps as well as the 22 year old filter caps as I wanted to make sure it had a clean bill of health before I started gigging with it again. It's a real beaut!
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Post by zontar on Jan 23, 2021 7:27:21 GMT
I finally got a pic of my Deluxe Reverb. It's stock except for the Cannabis Rex speaker. I've added tilt back legs and metal corners but they don't affect the sound. This is my favourite of all the amps I have ever owned. View Attachment I love those old Silverfaces--although they do get some grief online--primarily based on the years they were made. A friend had one of those back in my teens/early 20s--great amp.
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Post by infant on Jan 23, 2021 18:18:45 GMT
The thing with the SF Deluxe Reverbs is that the circuit is basically identical to the old blacefaced ones. It why my buddy told me to get one. There were some very minor changes made to them but because they were consider “student models”, CBS didn’t invest too much into them as they did the more powerful 6L6 equipped amps. Therefore, for what you will pay for a Deluxe Reverb RI, you can have a point to point, hand wired Fender amp that is very easy to service.
Looking back, when I bought my ‘75 Tele, I also bought an amp. I tried a Peavey Classic (SS/tube hybrid) and a SF Deluxe Reverb. I was stupid back then and went for the Peavey because it was a 50 watt amp with two 12” speakers that had these huge silver coloured dust covers. It sounded good and looked more impressive than the DR that was selling for $100 more. I was 18 yrs old and didn’t know any better!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 21:20:40 GMT
I think the Deluxe Reverbs dodged the bullet when CBS began tinkering with circuit designs that led to the Ultralinear amplifiers. That seems to be the distinction made by connoisseurs of old Fender products. The pull-boost, I think, doesn't influence the sound of the amps as long as it's not engaged. I'd love to have an old Deluxe Reverb. I'd trade my vintage Twin Reverb/Altec Lansing 15" straight across for one in a heartbeat.
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Post by zontar on Jan 24, 2021 0:47:51 GMT
The thing with the SF Deluxe Reverbs is that the circuit is basically identical to the old blacefaced ones. It why my buddy told me to get one. There were some very minor changes made to them but because they were consider “student models”, CBS didn’t invest too much into them as they did the more powerful 6L6 equipped amps. Therefore, for what you will pay for a Deluxe Reverb RI, you can have a point to point, hand wired Fender amp that is very easy to service. Looking back, when I bought my ‘75 Tele, I also bought an amp. I tried a Peavey Classic (SS/tube hybrid) and a SF Deluxe Reverb. I was stupid back then and went for the Peavey because it was a 50 watt amp with two 12” speakers that had these huge silver coloured dust covers. It sounded good and looked more impressive than the DR that was selling for $100 more. I was 18 yrs old and didn’t know any better! I've read that the earliest silverfaces--on all amps had little or no changes from the blackface amps--just the silverface. Changes crept in over time. So I have seen early silverfaces go for more than later ones. But yeah--the Deluxe Reverb ones are one of the best of that lot in my books. Sound great, not too heavy for me, etc, etc, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 2:12:20 GMT
My amp guru, JC Maillet told me my 1970 silverface Twin Reverb is, for all intents and purposes, the same as a 67-68, with just a couple of resistor changes (that qualify as blackfacing the amps when you revert to the original resistor values)
The Ultralinear amps, which had circuit alterations that reduced negative feedback made the amps cleaner...almost sterile sounding, and the changes in transformers sent the Twin's rated output from 85 to 135 watts RMS. In today's world, where nobody wants huge amps, that power increase has become a liability.
I still like the Deluxes though....Their 22 watts, with the right speaker efficiency, can be a perfect amp in today's world.
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Post by zontar on Jan 24, 2021 2:19:47 GMT
My amp guru, JC Maillet told me my 1970 silverface Twin Reverb is, for all intents and purposes, the same as a 67-68, with just a couple of resistor changes (that qualify as blackfacing the amps when you revert to the original resistor values) The Ultralinear amps, which had circuit alterations that reduced negative feedback made the amps cleaner...almost sterile sounding, and the changes in transformers sent the Twin's rated output from 85 to 135 watts RMS. In today's world, where nobody wants huge amps, that power increase has become a liability. I still like the Deluxes though....Their 22 watts, with the right speaker efficiency, can be a perfect amp in today's world. Yeah, Twins are too big for me--in any iteration. The Deluxes are just right They are on my mental list as amps I'd like, but not likely any time soon.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 24, 2021 2:29:20 GMT
The Twin is crazy heavy like the Ampeg vt22. Great studio amps, but I would not want to carry them on jobs
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Post by zontar on Jan 24, 2021 2:52:07 GMT
The Twin is crazy heavy like the Ampeg vt22. Great studio amps, but I would not want to carry them on jobs I like the maps--just don't want to move them. If i were in a studio or at a practice place or something like that--and a Twin was an option--I'd try it out for at least some of the time.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 24, 2021 3:01:00 GMT
The Twin is crazy heavy like the Ampeg vt22. Great studio amps, but I would not want to carry them on jobs I like the maps--just don't want to move them. If i were in a studio or at a practice place or something like that--and a Twin was an option--I'd try it out for at least some of the time. Absolutely. Like I said in a studio they are great- massive sound. But carting them around is a horror for ageing guys like me
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Post by zontar on Jan 24, 2021 3:09:29 GMT
Or if you had roadies
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Post by johnreardon on Jan 24, 2021 9:50:31 GMT
The Twin is crazy heavy like the Ampeg vt22. Great studio amps, but I would not want to carry them on jobs I used to have a Fender Bassman 4x10 and that was heavy. Over 50lbs.
Of all things, I sold it to a harmonica player. I thought it was a bit over the top for him, but he had been looking for one and traveled over 120 miles each way to come and buy it. It was a great amp, just too heavy for me.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 24, 2021 14:16:48 GMT
The Twin is crazy heavy like the Ampeg vt22. Great studio amps, but I would not want to carry them on jobs I used to have a Fender Bassman 4x10 and that was heavy. Over 50lbs.
Of all things, I sold it to a harmonica player. I thought it was a bit over the top for him, but he had been looking for one and traveled over 120 miles each way to come and buy it. It was a great amp, just too heavy for me.
That's a cool amp too- did you use it for bass or guitar?
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Post by infant on Jan 24, 2021 14:58:44 GMT
The Twin is crazy heavy like the Ampeg vt22. Great studio amps, but I would not want to carry them on jobs I used to have a Fender Bassman 4x10 and that was heavy. Over 50lbs.
Of all things, I sold it to a harmonica player. I thought it was a bit over the top for him, but he had been looking for one and traveled over 120 miles each way to come and buy it. It was a great amp, just too heavy for me.
I’m sure it was closer to 60lbs. My SFDR is slightly over 50lbs. Twins are close to 80lbs. It’s one of the reasons why people are looking at Blues Juniors or SS amps like my Katana 100. At 31 lbs, it’s light, powerful and although not a DR, it sounds pretty damn good. I’ve thought about putting a neodymium speaker in the Deluxe Reverb but it would only lower the weight by 5 or 6 lbs
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