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Post by infant on Dec 21, 2020 0:39:59 GMT
Many of the newer amps and PA speakers have class D power amps. They are about 1/3 the weight of a similar output regular SS amp and generate much less heat. My old 85 watt Peavey Bandit was 45lbs and my 100 watt class D Boss Katana weighs about 30lbs.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 21, 2020 0:44:15 GMT
So I checked both these options out. The Fender looks pretty good, and the price is right, but the features might be too basic. They would reduce the space taken by the EONS because I would be moving from 15" to 12" speakers but I think I do like the idea of the smartphone EQ and mixing of the tower PA's.
The H&K on the other hand, gives the EV a serious run for the money? I am always skeptical at equipment that purports 1000+ watts. The EV is supposedly and the H&K 2000. The SPL peak of the HK IS 127 dB and EV is 123dB so I guess HK is quite a bit louder. The HK is also way cheaper from what I see and has a 5 year warranty.
The only advantage I see for the EV is potentially a big one, however. It has 6xXLR inputs, which means I could operate it completely without a mixer. With the HK i would definitely have to bring a mixer...
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 21, 2020 7:57:00 GMT
So I checked both these options out. The Fender looks pretty good, and the price is right, but the features might be too basic. They would reduce the space taken by the EONS because I would be moving from 15" to 12" speakers but I think I do like the idea of the smartphone EQ and mixing of the tower PA's. The H&K on the other hand, gives the EV a serious run for the money? I am always skeptical at equipment that purports 1000+ watts. The EV is supposedly and the H&K 2000. The SPL peak of the HK IS 127 dB and EV is 123dB so I guess HK is quite a bit louder. The HK is also way cheaper from what I see and has a 5 year warranty. The only advantage I see for the EV is potentially a big one, however. It has 6xXLR inputs, which means I could operate it completely without a mixer. With the HK i would definitely have to bring a mixer... A friend of mine uses an iPad to set eq of his mixer at a local jam and it 's great. He can stand out front and adjust the mics for different singers.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 21, 2020 13:44:43 GMT
From what read, the EV, HK AND Bose all allow for this, which I find to be a great feature
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 22, 2020 19:51:18 GMT
After doing some more research, I'm leaning towards the H&K. It turns out that the EV only really accommodates 4x XLR mic inputs, not 6. I love the idea of remote tuning of the band levels but the extra cost is pretty considerable. If I knew I wouldn't need my mixer after this purchase, it might tip me towards the EV but I think I would need it regardless.
Another advantage of the H&K is volume. At double the power I'd be a little more at ease for outdoor concerts.
Still haven't totally decided but strongly leaning towards the H&k.
But a question, why is this brand so hard to find around here? I only see it online...
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 24, 2020 1:37:26 GMT
For those interested... I did more research on the HK Audio Polar 12. I now understand why I am not finding this at any local stores. This appears to be a smaller German brand, seems very uncommon in the US. I had been really confused as I thought that the brand was the same as Hughes & Kettner- totally different company. I need to look into where their warranty service centres are...
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Post by Bill h on Jan 13, 2021 19:36:58 GMT
So, here is the unit we’re using for practice. It’s made by Rockville, it’s a 4800w powered mixer basically, we’re sill fooling around with it, it’s got some effects and a couple other bells and whistles. I’ve just figured out how to post pics off my phone so hopefully I’ll get better at it as time goes on. I have a pic of the speakers we’re using I think they are made by Pyle. That’s my wife’s bass amp underneath it.
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Post by Bill h on Jan 13, 2021 19:45:47 GMT
You can see one of the speakers above my guitar, I know you can’t tell much in the pic, I’ll need to get the specs next time I’m over there Attachments:
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 13, 2021 20:09:12 GMT
View AttachmentSo, here is the unit we’re using for practice. It’s made by Rockville, it’s a 4800w powered mixer basically, we’re sill fooling around with it, it’s got some effects and a couple other bells and whistles. I’ve just figured out how to post pics off my phone so hopefully I’ll get better at it as time goes on. I have a pic of the speakers we’re using I think they are made by Pyle. That’s my wife’s bass amp underneath it. 4800w- That's an awful lot of horsepower! How many watts can the Pyle's even handle?
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Post by Bill h on Jan 13, 2021 20:59:26 GMT
View AttachmentSo, here is the unit we’re using for practice. It’s made by Rockville, it’s a 4800w powered mixer basically, we’re sill fooling around with it, it’s got some effects and a couple other bells and whistles. I’ve just figured out how to post pics off my phone so hopefully I’ll get better at it as time goes on. I have a pic of the speakers we’re using I think they are made by Pyle. That’s my wife’s bass amp underneath it. 4800w- That's an awful lot of horsepower! How many watts can the Pyle's even handle? Good question not sure, My wife bought that setup last year, Saturday I’ll get the specs off the speakers.
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Post by infant on Jan 13, 2021 21:51:59 GMT
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 13, 2021 22:14:14 GMT
Makes sense- how confusing. I just looked both companies up and they are both based in St. Wendel Germany. I really wonder they are so hard to find in the US
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Post by infant on Jan 13, 2021 23:39:57 GMT
4800 watts seems high for a powered mixer. I don’t like how certain manufacturers advertise their power ratings. Behringer does this with all their amps and speakers. Amplifier wattage is usually rated in RMS. I believe that this below is the spec sheet for your unit. If your speakers are rated as 8ohm, your amp will put out 450 watts RMS per side. If your speakers are 4 ohm, the amp puts out 600 watts RMS per side. The 1200 watt rating is for a single 8 ohm speaker plugged into the one jack. It bridges the two internal amps into one output. I only use the bridged output for small gigs where I only bring one speaker and I barely turn it up. When using 2 speakers always use the Left and Right outputs. Never use the bridged output and one of the others at the same time as it will damage the amp. www.rockvilleaudio.com/rpm109/
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Post by infant on Jan 13, 2021 23:51:18 GMT
Makes sense- how confusing. I just looked both companies up and they are both based in St. Wendel Germany. I really wonder they are so hard to find in the US Long and McQuade here in Canada owns Yorkville Sound (Traynor Amps) and Yorkville is the distributor for H&K and HK Audio. So in our case warranty would be through Yorkville. I’m not sure who would handle them in the US.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 14, 2021 1:09:49 GMT
4800 watts seems high for a powered mixer. I don’t like how certain manufacturers advertise their power ratings. Behringer does this with all their amps and speakers. Amplifier wattage is usually rated in RMS. I believe that this below is the spec sheet for your unit. If your speakers are rated as 8ohm, your amp will put out 450 watts RMS per side. If your speakers are 4 ohm, the amp puts out 600 watts RMS per side. The 1200 watt rating is for a single 8 ohm speaker plugged into the one jack. It bridges the two internal amps into one output. I only use the bridged output for small gigs where I only bring one speaker and I barely turn it up. When using 2 speakers always use the Left and Right outputs. Never use the bridged output and one of the others at the same time as it will damage the amp. www.rockvilleaudio.com/rpm109/View AttachmentThat makes more sense- 4800 RMS watts would be a crazy amount of power. You'd be playing a huge venue to need that much power
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Post by Bill h on Jan 14, 2021 1:48:34 GMT
I’ll take a look at the data that on the power mixer this weekend.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 14, 2021 23:31:06 GMT
Lately I've been thinking about getting some cheap used passive monitors, especially if I do buy a stick PA. A friend of mine has a pair of old Peaveys that clip together when closed. I always liked them. Of course the stock speakers are probably junk but I'll bet those things are cheap in the marketplace
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Post by infant on Jan 15, 2021 3:02:57 GMT
I don’t know if passive monitors will work with any of the sticks. I think they’ll need to be active.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 15, 2021 13:02:58 GMT
I don’t know if passive monitors will work with any of the sticks. I think they’ll need to be active. Okay I'll have to check into that- thanks. I'm trying to find the perfect balance of volume, sound quality, portability/ weight and usability as I look into PA's. But I need to make sure the drummer could hear the band too.
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Post by infant on Jan 15, 2021 14:25:15 GMT
The thing with the sticks, especially the Bose, is that you can put them at the back of the stage and can be used as monitors and mains.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 15, 2021 14:35:59 GMT
The thing with the sticks, especially the Bose, is that you can put them at the back of the stage and can be used as monitors and mains. But wouldn't that subject the band to potentially damaging sound levels? (Remember I'm looking to buy this for outdoor use!)
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Post by johnreardon on Jan 15, 2021 18:05:16 GMT
The thing with the sticks, especially the Bose, is that you can put them at the back of the stage and can be used as monitors and mains. But wouldn't that subject the band to potentially damaging sound levels? (Remember I'm looking to buy this for outdoor use!) We used them a few times, with the things at the front. We played with another band supporting us who had already set them up at the back and said we could use them. I was a bit apprehensive, but knew one of the members of the other band well and he said they are fine. They did sound ok and it's weird that they don't actually hurt your ears. Having said that, I didn't really like them at the back as it obscure the sound of the other players a bit.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 15, 2021 18:48:31 GMT
But wouldn't that subject the band to potentially damaging sound levels? (Remember I'm looking to buy this for outdoor use!) We used them a few times, with the things at the front. We played with another band supporting us who had already set them up at the back and said we could use them. I was a bit apprehensive, but knew one of the members of the other band well and he said they are fine. They did sound ok and it's weird that they don't actually hurt your ears. Having said that, I didn't really like them at the back as it obscure the sound of the other players a bit. This is a dilemma for me because I really want to reduce the size and weight of the EON powered speakers I am using, but the new PA needs to be usable outside for at least ~250 audience members. Any bigger performance would require a soundman with proper subs and a full setup anyway. Inside, we really don't need amplification for most auditoriums.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 23, 2021 21:04:01 GMT
I think I am going to run over to Sam Ash this afternoon and ask them about options for PA's
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