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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 4:40:14 GMT
I've always liked my effects before the amp, and not in the effects loop--but maybe that's mostly me.
however I am pondering something & wanted to know if anybody else ever tried this--and who it went if you did.
Or any other assorted opinions.
I recently finally completed a bass pedalboard--but haven't done my guitar one.
I had a board I got for free--so good price--the pedals were a bit crowded, but fit.
however I changed a couple of them by creating the bass board--so the replacements are slightly bigger in a couple of cases--and so the pedals don't fit any more.
however if I put my volume pedal through the effects loop, it should still be a volume pedal--btu would its spot int he chain mean I had less control over the volume?
Would it matter?
I have the volume pedal second as I like the Octver first, before the volume pedal.
So while it it would free up some board space & save me from having to buy a new board-and I would probably bye another cable or two (Although I could make it work with what I have now--but always good to have a a spare or two)--would it work?
Would it be worth it?
I primarily use the volume pedal for swells--which should still work.
And I also have na amp without an effects loop--but use the one with it more often (And I have another map with one as well).
In some ways I'm talking myself out of it--but still --any thoughts?
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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 4:58:50 GMT
Some online research indicates it would act as a master volume--which isn't really what I'd be looking for--although that does open some possibilities.
So now I'm tempted to buy another volume pedal--so one is a master volume--and the other is used as I do now.
(Okay not really--btu it does inform my decision)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 6:00:00 GMT
I can't speak authoritively on the subject, but it strikes me that if a volume pedal operates in an effects loop, when the pedal raises the volume, it would be driving the power amp section harder. That might change the relationship between pre-amp and power amp. If you were setting gains with the idea of creating some sort of distortion (such as you'd get by running preamp gain high and power amp gain low, it might change the amount of overdrive that the preamp's creating. If you're not using the pre-amp/power amp relationship to create distortion, but only to find comfortable operating volumes for a clean signal, I don't see any disadvantage to using the pedal in that way.
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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 6:10:00 GMT
I can't speak authoritively on the subject, but it strikes me that if a volume pedal operates in an effects loop, when the pedal raises the volume, it would be driving the power amp section harder. That might change the relationship between pre-amp and power amp. If you were setting gains with the idea of creating some sort of distortion (such as you'd get by running preamp gain high and power amp gain low, it might change the amount of overdrive that the preamp's creating. If you're not using the pre-amp/power amp relationship to create distortion, but only to find comfortable operating volumes for a clean signal, I don't see any disadvantage to using the pedal in that way. that's what my other research indicated as well. (And posting here is also a form of research.) Thanks of the input. I will continue to ponder if that is how I'd like to do things. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 6:17:52 GMT
I don't want to side-track the thread subject matter, but there's something I've been wondering....In an older Fender, where there isn't an effects loop, such as in my old Twin Reverb, a fairly common thing is to chain the two channels together by inserting a patchcord between one of the Normal channel input jacks and one of the Vibrato channel's jacks. The problem is generally that the extra gain stage in the channel that's got the reverb puts the two channels out-of-phase. This creates some interesting effects because as you modulate the two volume controls, there are points in the volume control rotations where the out-of-phase cancellation turns the apparent volume down as you roll the control setting higher. My thought is that if you use the channel-to-channel chaining as a type of effects loop, would putting an effects pedal inline correct the phasing issue and make everything sound normal. I'm not enough of a tech whiz to predict what would happen, but it's something I'm interested in trying.
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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 6:31:04 GMT
I don't want to side-track the thread subject matter, but there's something I've been wondering....In an older Fender, where there isn't an effects loop, such as in my old Twin Reverb, a fairly common thing is to chain the two channels together by inserting a patchcord between one of the Normal channel input jacks and one of the Vibrato channel's jacks. The problem is generally that the extra gain stage in the channel that's got the reverb puts the two channels out-of-phase. This creates some interesting effects because as you modulate the two volume controls, there are points in the volume control rotations where the out-of-phase cancellation turns the apparent volume down as you roll the control setting higher. My thought is that if you use the channel-to-channel chaining as a type of effects loop, would putting an effects pedal inline correct the phasing issue and make everything sound normal. I'm not enough of a tech whiz to predict what would happen, but it's something I'm interested in trying. Just make sure it's not going to fry anything. |
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