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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 22:31:10 GMT
How's the overall build quality on the SV100? I don't tend to abuse my mics but things do sometimes take a soul on stage. I'm probably leaning towards the SM48S, but I'm not against the Sv100 if it is fairly rugged It doesn't feel fragile at all, but doesn't have the same sturdy feel of an SM57 or 58. I've only ever used it at home. It really depends on how it will get treated. So it depends on use & budget. But I like to get the best I can afford-while allowing for exceptions. (Which isn't the same as the most expensive you can afford) I can go take another look at it & respond later. Yes please do, I'm interested in your opinion on sturdiness. I COULD afford a SM58S, but I already have quite a few mics, over 10. Unfortunately my SM58 doesn't have the switch or that would be the end of it
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 22:50:01 GMT
It doesn't feel fragile at all, but doesn't have the same sturdy feel of an SM57 or 58. I've only ever used it at home. It really depends on how it will get treated. So it depends on use & budget. But I like to get the best I can afford-while allowing for exceptions. (Which isn't the same as the most expensive you can afford) I can go take another look at it & respond later. Yes please do, I'm interested in your opinion on sturdiness. I COULD afford a SM58S, but I already have quite a few mics, over 10. Unfortunately my SM58 doesn't have the switch or that would be the end of it Outside it seem comparable to the other Shure miss I've seen, I unscrewed the windscreen and I'm not sure if the inside is as sturdy as an SM 57/58. Can't say how that compares to the 48S though--never having held one of them. So possibly hit & miss. I bought an SV100, not because it was the best option, etc--but because it was a great deal--and I didn't mind having a cheap mic as a back up, etc. So it's got some sturdiness, but if the 48S is within your budget--it's probably the better option.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 23:36:53 GMT
Yes please do, I'm interested in your opinion on sturdiness. I COULD afford a SM58S, but I already have quite a few mics, over 10. Unfortunately my SM58 doesn't have the switch or that would be the end of it Outside it seem comparable to the other Shure miss I've seen, I unscrewed the windscreen and I'm not sure if the inside is as sturdy as an SM 57/58. Can't say how that compares to the 48S though--never having held one of them. So possibly hit & miss. I bought an SV100, not because it was the best option, etc--but because it was a great deal--and I didn't mind having a cheap mic as a back up, etc. So it's got some sturdiness, but if the 48S is within your budget--it's probably the better option. That's kind of where I am too. I don't need studio quality top of the line but the thing has to be durable enough. Maybe I'll stop over at the music store and check them out. I don't see shure mics on sale very often...
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 23:40:37 GMT
Another thing--at that time the SV100 came with a cable. It was an XLR to 1/4", but that works sometimes. I did later buy XLR to XLR.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 23:43:37 GMT
Another thing--at that time the SV100 came with a cable. It was an XLR to 1/4", but that works sometimes. I did later buy XLR to XLR. I think they still do come with cables. Of course you have already guessed my next question- what do you guys use for XLR to 1/4 conversions? I have a couple of cables that do this, maybe I should buy more adapters so I can get 8 XLR equivalent channels on my mixer?
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 23:51:38 GMT
Another thing--at that time the SV100 came with a cable. It was an XLR to 1/4", but that works sometimes. I did later buy XLR to XLR. I think they still do come with cables. Of course you have already guessed my next question- what do you guys use for XLR to 1/4 conversions? I have a couple of cables that do this, maybe I should buy more adapters so I can get 8 XLR equivalent channels on my mixer? My digital recorder can accept XLR or 1/4" inputs--and that's what I would using it with--or just into an amp perhaps for spoken word/singing. If XLR to XLR is an option I do that--otherwise it's a back up So I haven't used any converters--maybe someone else has.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 18, 2021 0:32:03 GMT
I think they still do come with cables. Of course you have already guessed my next question- what do you guys use for XLR to 1/4 conversions? I have a couple of cables that do this, maybe I should buy more adapters so I can get 8 XLR equivalent channels on my mixer? My digital recorder can accept XLR or 1/4" inputs--and that's what I would using it with--or just into an amp perhaps for spoken word/singing. If XLR to XLR is an option I do that--otherwise it's a back up So I haven't used any converters--maybe someone else has. I wish I had more XLR inputs on my mixer- I can make do with what I have but I'd either have to go to XLR to 1/4 adapters or XLR to 1/4 cables. Or I guess I could replace the mixer....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 18:28:38 GMT
My impression has always been that mikes that have XLR connection (at the end where they'd plug into a PA) are low impedance, and mikes that use 1/4" plugs at the PA end are high impedance. Generally, they're not interchangeable.....Due to differences in gain and impedance. I believe rather than just an adaptor that changes the plug configuration, you would use a low impedance XLR terminated mike with an inline transformer that converts XLR to 1/4". I haven't bought one in years, but at one time, those inline transformer/plug converters were around 30.00...Probably, like most things, more today. If you try to use a low impedance mike into a 1/4" jack intended for high impedance, the gain will be very low.
There's a big advantage in having low impedance mikes and a PA designed for XLR connections.....You can run really, really long cables with little or no loss. If you're using high impedance mikes and a PA with 1/4" input jacks, there are some big restrictions on how long a cable will work. Too long, and it'll pick up lots of noise. In my experience, with high impedance, 15 ft is optimal, but anything over that runs the risk of noise.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 21, 2021 21:08:22 GMT
My impression has always been that mikes that have XLR connection (at the end where they'd plug into a PA) are low impedance, and mikes that use 1/4" plugs at the PA end are high impedance. Generally, they're not interchangeable.....Due to differences in gain and impedance. I believe rather than just an adaptor that changes the plug configuration, you would use a low impedance XLR terminated mike with an inline transformer that converts XLR to 1/4". I haven't bought one in years, but at one time, those inline transformer/plug converters were around 30.00...Probably, like most things, more today. If you try to use a low impedance mike into a 1/4" jack intended for high impedance, the gain will be very low. There's a big advantage in having low impedance mikes and a PA designed for XLR connections.....You can run really, really long cables with little or no loss. If you're using high impedance mikes and a PA with 1/4" input jacks, there are some big restrictions on how long a cable will work. Too long, and it'll pick up lots of noise. In my experience, with high impedance, 15 ft is optimal, but anything over that runs the risk of noise. Yes, to use the 1/4" inputs on my mixer I'd have to buy 4 of those transformers. It isn't an ideal solution for sure but I'm trying to not replace both the PA and the mixer- especially since mixers with 8x XLR inputs are usually considerably larger. I carry my mixer literally in a laptop bag. No matter what I do will be a compromise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:34:27 GMT
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 21, 2021 22:58:38 GMT
My tablet can't open the link the link but I sure I have seen them around $15 here too
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 18:11:07 GMT
Sorry dB....I wonder if the fact that I was signed into my eBay account is the reason that you can't open it. However, here's the same product offered by RedOne Music
Keep in mind that the Whirlwind adaptor/transformer is available on eBay for 14.03 USD and is supplied by a retailer in South Carolina
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 22, 2021 18:50:29 GMT
Sorry dB....I wonder if the fact that I was signed into my eBay account is the reason that you can't open it. However, here's the same product offered by RedOne Music
Keep in mind that the Whirlwind adaptor/transformer is available on eBay for 14.03 USD and is supplied by a retailer in South Carolina
That link works for me- thank you!
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Post by zontar on Jan 23, 2021 7:33:29 GMT
I've never had an issue with 1/4" vs XLR--although I mostly use XLR.
Although I can see some differences could be there.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 23, 2021 14:47:04 GMT
I've never had an issue with 1/4" vs XLR--although I mostly use XLR. Although I can see some differences could be there. I'll have to get the transformer to see the difference in gain between simply using a XLR to 1/4 cable and the same with transformer
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 16:45:45 GMT
I knew about the gain differences but was always able to use a PA channel that was the correct gain and impedance loading, so I didn't think much about it. However, this past summer, when I was auditioning singers for my last band, I got a real eye-opener. This guy showed up with a Strat and a Twin Reverb, and his mike was a Samson. He'd been playing at home by himself and used to plug the Samson mike into the Normal channel of the Twin. Because the Twin only has 1/4" input jacks, he'd bought a cable that was strictly an adaptor, with an XLR fitting on the mike end and a 1/4" phone plug on the amp end. I guess it worked well enough to satisfy him for home practice because he could turn the Normal channel up to about 5 or 6 (which should be deafening loud on a Twin) and it was adequate to hear himself. But, when he came to audition with us, we plugged his mike into a 1/4" high impedance channel and we just couldn't get him loud enough through our PA to be heard. Not knowing much about Samson mikes, I just assumed it was a cheap POS microphone, but when I looked that model of Samson mike online the next day, I discovered that it was only supposed to be suitable for low impedance. If I'd thought of it the night before when he was auditioning, I should have tried plugging his Samson mike into the XLR cable from my Shure PE56 and it would have had enough gain to work fine....But I didn't know how big a difference it made at the time. The only time I'd run into it before was in the 80's when our singer had bought herself an upper-line Shure and the guy in the music store, when he found out we were using a high impedance Shure Vocalmaster PA with 1/4" inputs had sold her the matching transformer.
Aside from gain, the other big difference is being able to use really long cables with low impedance mikes with no loss or noise. My PE56 (wired to low impedance) now has a 35 ft cable that works fine, but when I had it wired internally to high impedance, anything over a 15 foot cord was problematic. If you play out often, and I know you do, dB, you'll see the advantage of being able to set the PA where you want it, instead of where the short microphone cables dictate that it has to be.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 23, 2021 17:53:34 GMT
I knew about the gain differences but was always able to use a PA channel that was the correct gain and impedance loading, so I didn't think much about it. However, this past summer, when I was auditioning singers for my last band, I got a real eye-opener. This guy showed up with a Strat and a Twin Reverb, and his mike was a Samson. He'd been playing at home by himself and used to plug the Samson mike into the Normal channel of the Twin. Because the Twin only has 1/4" input jacks, he'd bought a cable that was strictly an adaptor, with an XLR fitting on the mike end and a 1/4" phone plug on the amp end. I guess it worked well enough to satisfy him for home practice because he could turn the Normal channel up to about 5 or 6 (which should be deafening loud on a Twin) and it was adequate to hear himself. But, when he came to audition with us, we plugged his mike into a 1/4" high impedance channel and we just couldn't get him loud enough through our PA to be heard. Not knowing much about Samson mikes, I just assumed it was a cheap POS microphone, but when I looked that model of Samson mike online the next day, I discovered that it was only supposed to be suitable for low impedance. If I'd thought of it the night before when he was auditioning, I should have tried plugging his Samson mike into the XLR cable from my Shure PE56 and it would have had enough gain to work fine....But I didn't know how big a difference it made at the time. The only time I'd run into it before was in the 80's when our singer had bought herself an upper-line Shure and the guy in the music store, when he found out we were using a high impedance Shure Vocalmaster PA with 1/4" inputs had sold her the matching transformer. Aside from gain, the other big difference is being able to use really long cables with low impedance mikes with no loss or noise. My PE56 (wired to low impedance) now has a 35 ft cable that works fine, but when I had it wired internally to high impedance, anything over a 15 foot cord was problematic. If you play out often, and I know you do, dB, you'll see the advantage of being able to set the PA where you want it, instead of where the short microphone cables dictate that it has to be. Generally 15' is probably as much as I need for Normal gigs because I keep the mixer right next to me or even on top of my amp. So with transformers I could almost certainly use the shorter cables for the guys closest to the mixer. I don't mic my amp but it probably wouldn't be a terrible idea to because I could spread the guitar sound out, rather than just down the middle of the band
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