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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 16, 2020 1:11:12 GMT
Either for recording, home studio or gigging...
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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 3:22:26 GMT
Okay--I'll go first, since I sort of already addressed this. I don't gig, and I don't really sing so I just have ones for recording at home for fun--which I don't do a lot. (I would like to do more) Both my pics were bought on sale--and I got great deals on both. first I got a Shure SV100-really a bottom of the line mic-but I didn't have one & sometimes a cheap mic is what you want. (It can work well if you want lots of dirt on the guitar-or for simple spoken word stuff-or even if I had a karaoke machine.) It's also a cheap backup. I've used it for electric guitar & bass. later I got an ART M-Two--it's a condenser mic. My digital recorder has phantom power so no problem that way. It has nice clear sounds, and works for bass as well. It has a shock mount & a solid case as well. I've used it for electric guitar & bass, acoustic 12 string & classical guitars, and I think my electric mandolin. I really like it. I have borrowed the ubiquitous Shure SM57 and recorded some bass & guitar with it. I may buy one some day--and there are some Sennheisers I've considered on the dynamic mic side of things. I also have two mic stands--a low one for bass drums & amps, and a standard boom type Now it's your turn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 5:28:54 GMT
I can't remember why, but at one point in the mid-80's, I decided I was probably through with bands, and decided to sell my microphone. It was probably 15 years or more before I started thinking about bands again and decided it would make sense to own one. A friend that I did a fairly complex high-end car stereo install for who was a musician, offered me a microphone as part payment for my labour. There were three mikes offered...I can't remember what the first was..an Audio Technica I think...but the other two were a Shure SM-57 and a Shure PE-56D. I'd owned an SM-57 before and thought it was decent, but for some reason, I gravitated toward the PE-56D. I used it in a couple of bands as a high impedance mike, and then I ended up buying a Fender Passport Venue PA system for a band this past summer and decided I'd really like to have a mike that I could run a long, long cable to make it easier to facilitate certain types of stage setups. I did some research and discovered that the PE-56D could be wired as high impedance or as a low impedance mike. I found the procedure in a service bulletin from Shure and, with heart in throat, decided I could probably do it. It actually wasn't that hard...It involved disassembling the mike, swapping a plug to a different set of contacts inside, and reassembling. I ordered a new 30 foot XLR cord for it, and it worked great. I've played with guys that have SM57's and SM58's and to my ear, this mike sounds more full-bodied. I discovered it's also a credible instrument mike and have used it a couple of times to mike a smaller amp into a PA. It's a good one, and certainly more than adequate for my less-than-great vocals.
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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 5:36:10 GMT
I've been told by people who should know that the only difference between t SM 57 & 58 (other than the number) is the top cover. One more for vocals & one more for instruments
Feel free it correct me if you've heard differently.
a good mic is as personal a choice as a guitar.
One musician's trash is another one's treasure.
Cool when you find the right one (or ones)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 6:06:12 GMT
Something I found in an article I read online was quite fascinating. Apparently, one of the things you'll see with SM-58's is dents on the exterior of the snowball. Some guys do that deliberately because when the outside ball is dented and sitting closer to the microphone element, it increases bass response and it's one of the ways a singer might "tune" the microphone to have a response curve closer to what the singer finds flattering to his voice. I can't vouch for the truth in that statement, but it's an interesting idea.
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Post by zontar on Dec 16, 2020 6:12:20 GMT
Something I found in an article I read online was quite fascinating. Apparently, one of the things you'll see with SM-58's is dents on the exterior of the snowball. Some guys do that deliberately because when the outside ball is dented and sitting closer to the microphone element, it increases bass response and it's one of the ways a singer might "tune" the microphone to have a response curve closer to what the singer finds flattering to his voice. I can't vouch for the truth in that statement, but it's an interesting idea. The ones I've seen that were dented, were that way because they had been dropped.
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 16, 2020 8:47:13 GMT
Something I found in an article I read online was quite fascinating. Apparently, one of the things you'll see with SM-58's is dents on the exterior of the snowball. Some guys do that deliberately because when the outside ball is dented and sitting closer to the microphone element, it increases bass response and it's one of the ways a singer might "tune" the microphone to have a response curve closer to what the singer finds flattering to his voice. I can't vouch for the truth in that statement, but it's an interesting idea. The ones I've seen that were dented, were that way because they had been dropped. Exactly. Some of these people that write articles, whether online or in magazines don't really have a clue. They see something and always make a reason why that thing is shaped like it is. Mics get dents because they are usually dropped, not because of any technical reason.
I own the PA and also have a few mics. Our singer doesn't own a mic, he uses one of mine. I don't mind as he lives in Spain, so if he's flying across for a gig, it saves him bringing it. My main vocal mics are SM58s although I do have a SM57 as well. Sometimes I use the SM57 for my backing vocals, mainly as a retro thing, as that's what we used in the 60s. The SM58s have on/off switches as I like to mute them when we take breaks.
I also have a Sennheiser e606 in case I need to mic up a cab.
Finally I bought a cheaper Shure SV100 to use when recording. I didn't notice any difference n quality between this and the SM58 in recording, although I must admit the SM58 is actually in use at the moment.
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Post by infant on Dec 16, 2020 14:52:28 GMT
Like John, I own the PA and like John, I also own a few SM58s. My oldest SM58 is about 35 years old, been dropped a few times, looks like hell and it’s still the one I use. The other two are about 10 yrs old and pretty much mint. The bass and sax players use my spare 58s and the keyboard player has his own. It makes it much easier to set up the PA when all the mic’s are similar..
For recording, I’ve got two CAD Audio GXL2200 condenser mic’s. One of them I bought myself and the other one I bought for work when they were doing some health and safety videos. Once they were all done they gave me the mic. They are decent enough for what I use them for.
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Post by Sinster on Dec 16, 2020 15:21:12 GMT
Rode NT1-A, CAD GLX2200, Blue Yeti, and a Pyle PDMIC78. The Pyle is under 20.00 USD and get some good reviews.
Here's a little comparison I did about 2 years. The only not in the mix is the Rode NT1-A, also has a very cheap china made xlr I picked up for 5.00.
https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fjetfixxxer%2Finexpensive-mics-comparision
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 16, 2020 16:57:45 GMT
I have quite a few SM57's that I use for recording and with the PA. I have one SM58 but it isn't switchable so I use it as an instrument mic when I run out of SM 57's
I also have a Sennheiser vocal mic that I use for announcements. Some years back I bought a whole bunch of Electrovoice mics but for some reason I tend to use the Shures more
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 16, 2020 16:59:50 GMT
Like John, I own the PA and like John, I also own a few SM58s. My oldest SM58 is about 35 years old, been dropped a few times, looks like hell and it’s still the one I use. I also own the PA (I guess that's another thread to write). Those Shure SM57/58 mics are very rugged- I've never had an issue with one
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Post by infant on Dec 16, 2020 21:55:34 GMT
Shure SM58 is the Peavey Bandit of microphones. Rugged and dependable! Sure, there’s better options out there but these last forever and sound good!
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 17, 2020 0:56:35 GMT
It sounds interesting with dents improving bass response but talk about cork-sniffing! I wonder if my car will drive faster if I dent the bonnet to be more aerodynamic?
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Post by zontar on Dec 17, 2020 6:36:46 GMT
It sounds interesting with dents improving bass response but talk about cork-sniffing! I wonder if my car will drive faster if I dent the bonnet to be more aerodynamic? Bonnet? Are we British now? Why don't you try it?
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Post by zontar on Dec 17, 2020 6:42:50 GMT
I find the SV100 doesn't record as clear or as clean as a better mic--but sometimes that's what you want. In any case if it does the job you want it to--then cool. Especially since they don't cost much--and even better if, like me, you got it for a fraction of the regular price.
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 17, 2020 8:32:55 GMT
Rode NT1-A, CAD GLX2200, Blue Yeti, and a Pyle PDMIC78. The Pyle is under 20.00 USD and get some good reviews. Here's a little comparison I did about 2 years. The only not in the mix is the Rode NT1-A, also has a very cheap china made xlr I picked up for 5.00. https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fjetfixxxer%2Finexpensive-mics-comparisionThat Pyle sounded good. For me the best of those you did.
Funny enough I was checking out Rode mics yesterday. Read one review that suggested the NT1 was 'better' than the NT1-A.
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Post by zontar on Dec 17, 2020 8:37:06 GMT
Rode NT1-A, CAD GLX2200, Blue Yeti, and a Pyle PDMIC78. The Pyle is under 20.00 USD and get some good reviews. Here's a little comparison I did about 2 years. The only not in the mix is the Rode NT1-A, also has a very cheap china made xlr I picked up for 5.00. https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fjetfixxxer%2Finexpensive-mics-comparisionThat Pyle sounded good. For me the best of those you did.
Funny enough I was checking out Rode mics yesterday. Read one review that suggested the NT1 was 'better' than the NT1-A.
Just ask--"Better for what?" I do think they are good mics.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 17, 2020 12:30:36 GMT
It sounds interesting with dents improving bass response but talk about cork-sniffing! I wonder if my car will drive faster if I dent the bonnet to be more aerodynamic? Bonnet? Are we British now? Why don't you try it? I don't think so (on both questions)
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Post by Sinster on Dec 17, 2020 21:37:31 GMT
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 18, 2020 10:01:31 GMT
I bought the Rode NT1A yesterday. Impressed with Amazon UK. Ordered it around 11:30 and it was delivered at 18:00. Just recorded some vocals for a new song and while it hasn't quite made a silk purse out of a sow's ear, it's a lot better for recording than the SM58.
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Post by zontar on Dec 19, 2020 8:37:55 GMT
I bought the Rode NT1A yesterday. Impressed with Amazon UK. Ordered it around 11:30 and it was delivered at 18:00. Just recorded some vocals for a new song and while it hasn't quite made a silk purse out of a sow's ear, it's a lot better for recording than the SM58. So you live around the corner? Glad to hear you like it.
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Post by johnreardon on Dec 19, 2020 9:52:53 GMT
I bought the Rode NT1A yesterday. Impressed with Amazon UK. Ordered it around 11:30 and it was delivered at 18:00. Just recorded some vocals for a new song and while it hasn't quite made a silk purse out of a sow's ear, it's a lot better for recording than the SM58. So you live around the corner? Glad to hear you like it. We do have Amazon Prime, which usually guarantees next day for most stuff and we have a huge Amazon warehouse about 25 miles away, but this did impress me. I ordered same day delivery which usually means it's around 10 pm. I'll post something later I recorded with it last night.
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Post by zontar on Dec 19, 2020 10:13:42 GMT
So you live around the corner? Glad to hear you like it. We do have Amazon Prime, which usually guarantees next day for most stuff and we have a huge Amazon warehouse about 25 miles away, but this did impress me. I ordered same day delivery which usually means it's around 10 pm. I'll post something later I recorded with it last night. It's possible most of us live with 25 miles of an Amazon warehouse.
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Post by Die Bullen on Dec 19, 2020 22:21:04 GMT
I know for a fact that there is an Amazon warehouse about 10 miles away from us
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 16, 2021 23:45:22 GMT
QQ- does anyone have experience with the Shure SM48?
Since I now have the two channel amp with XLR inputs, I am going to start carrying a microphone to all gigs. Mic would only be for announcements, not instruments, but it would need a switch.
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 8:33:11 GMT
QQ- does anyone have experience with the Shure SM48? Since I now have the two channel amp with XLR inputs, I am going to start carrying a microphone to all gigs. Mic would only be for announcements, not instruments, but it would need a switch. the SV-100 should work for announcements-and it has the switch. if you want a switch for the SM48 though--get the SM48S From their website:
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 16:45:30 GMT
QQ- does anyone have experience with the Shure SM48? Since I now have the two channel amp with XLR inputs, I am going to start carrying a microphone to all gigs. Mic would only be for announcements, not instruments, but it would need a switch. the SV-100 should work for announcements-and it has the switch. if you want a switch for the SM48 though--get the SM48S From their website: I don't know the Sv100- have you tried one( or has anyone else)? Yes, I meant the SM48S
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 22:06:10 GMT
the SV-100 should work for announcements-and it has the switch. if you want a switch for the SM48 though--get the SM48S From their website: I don't know the Sv100- have you tried one( or has anyone else)? Yes, I meant the SM48S see the second post in this thread--I have one. I believe the SM48S would be a better quality mic, but if you're just using it for announcements you don't need all the same specs you would for singing, etc. So something to consider. i got mine on sale--it was already cheap, and with the sale price it was kind of a no-brainer to get an alternate mic to use. I like it when you want a gritty sound, and aren't worried about nuances as much. Sometimes the cheap mic is better for what you want. So either would work--just take all that into consideration.
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Post by Die Bullen on Jan 17, 2021 22:15:01 GMT
I don't know the Sv100- have you tried one( or has anyone else)? Yes, I meant the SM48S see the second post in this thread--I have one. I believe the SM48S would be a better quality mic, but if you're just using it for announcements you don't need all the same specs you would for singing, etc. So something to consider. i got mine on sale--it was already cheap, and with the sale price it was kind of a no-brainer to get an alternate mic to use. I like it when you want a gritty sound, and aren't worried about nuances as much. Sometimes the cheap mic is better for what you want. So either would work--just take all that into consideration. How's the overall build quality on the SV100? I don't tend to abuse my mics but things do sometimes take a soul on stage. I'm probably leaning towards the SM48S, but I'm not against the Sv100 if it is fairly rugged
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Post by zontar on Jan 17, 2021 22:19:39 GMT
see the second post in this thread--I have one. I believe the SM48S would be a better quality mic, but if you're just using it for announcements you don't need all the same specs you would for singing, etc. So something to consider. i got mine on sale--it was already cheap, and with the sale price it was kind of a no-brainer to get an alternate mic to use. I like it when you want a gritty sound, and aren't worried about nuances as much. Sometimes the cheap mic is better for what you want. So either would work--just take all that into consideration. How's the overall build quality on the SV100? I don't tend to abuse my mics but things do sometimes take a soul on stage. I'm probably leaning towards the SM48S, but I'm not against the Sv100 if it is fairly rugged It doesn't feel fragile at all, but doesn't have the same sturdy feel of an SM57 or 58. I've only ever used it at home. It really depends on how it will get treated. So it depends on use & budget. But I like to get the best I can afford-while allowing for exceptions. (Which isn't the same as the most expensive you can afford) I can go take another look at it & respond later.
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