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Post by zontar on Mar 18, 2021 6:54:56 GMT
Hey. let's try this with SGs now.
I do not own one, but have played many--from SG Specials to SG Customs with three pickups (& 2 pickup ones as well)
Best
1-Excellent fret access. Although I rarely play all the way up the neck--if I do it's great access.
2-The feel on an SG is top notch. I find them comfortable & they fit nicely. And the best neck on any guitar I've ever played was on an SG.
3-I love the way they sound. Of course what pickups you have affects that--but I don't think I've played an SG I didn't love the sound of.
4-the weight--while weight i not an issue for me, it's nice to play a light guitar.
5-While not high on the list of what I look for--they look cool.
Worst
1-neck dive. While some won't touch SGs for this reason, I have played many SGs and not all had neck dive. And the ones that did I found manageable. Still no neck dive is better than any.
2-Weakness of the neck--while having great access at higher frets-this can make for a weaker neck--and some models (Especially earlier ones) can have weak necks & be prone to breakage. It's not pretty
3-Some have odd trap knob placement--but that is easily resolved.
4-Headstock issues--same as Les Pauls--and being neck easy they could be more likely to hit something they shouldn't.
5-Sometimes they can be too light
So once again--the Worst list feels a bit nitpick in spots (& it is) but I am listing 5 best & worst
So SGs for me come out way ahead not he best list over the worst list
As with the Teles, Strats & Les Pauls- it is very possible some or all of you disagree with me--at least in part.
Please share your thoughts.
maybe one day I'll one an SG (Until then my SG shaped EB3 copy bass will fill some of that void.)
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Post by johnreardon on Mar 18, 2021 7:53:42 GMT
I've owned 2 SGs and for me the significant worst thing is neck dive.
The 73 one I stupidly sold as it sounded great.
I also had one of those Robby Krieger Custom shop ones I took in part exchange for a Strat I had. This was one of the original 50 made and I think serial no was around 30. The vibrola thing mad neck dive better, but it also seemed to make the sound tinny. I sold it in the end
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Post by infant on Mar 18, 2021 19:24:42 GMT
Wow....at first I thought the title was “5 best and worst things about 5G”. I gotta get my eyes checked again!
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Post by Sgt Rock on Mar 18, 2021 20:11:47 GMT
I played a friend's SG once. I never got used to the neck. it felt longer than normal. my playing was about 3 frets off. and I've never cared to pick up another one and play it.
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 18, 2021 20:36:44 GMT
I never played one. I know some you guys love how they look but I really do not like the look at all. I can't get past that to even want to try one
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Post by infant on Mar 19, 2021 0:00:11 GMT
I used to have a Japanese knock off in the early 70s before I bought my Tele. I really don’t remember much about it. It had a Bigsby knock off too so I don’t recall it being neck heavy although that is a typical complaint of SGs.
Back when I bought my Melody Maker, I was looking at both an SG and LP faded too. However, I never picked one up to try out as the finish didn’t appeal to me.
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Post by zontar on Mar 19, 2021 18:40:15 GMT
I've owned 2 SGs and for me the significant worst thing is neck dive.
The 73 one I stupidly sold as it sounded great.
I also had one of those Robby Krieger Custom shop ones I took in part exchange for a Strat I had. This was one of the original 50 made and I think serial no was around 30. The vibrola thing mad neck dive better, but it also seemed to make the sound tinny. I sold it in the end
I have never heard one that sounded tinny& I wouldn’t expect a Robby Krieger one to spend that way But good to know |
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Post by zontar on Mar 19, 2021 18:42:14 GMT
I never played one. I know some you guys love how they look but I really do not like the look at all. I can't get past that to even want to try one Never tried one? Ok I have played several Liked them all Well once again variety in gear is a good thing |
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Post by Die Bullen on Mar 20, 2021 3:23:47 GMT
I never played one. I know some you guys love how they look but I really do not like the look at all. I can't get past that to even want to try one Never tried one? Ok I have played several Liked them all Well once again variety in gear is a good thing No, never really wanted to try one. It isn't really the vibe i am going for. Maybe I should try one sometime... |
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Post by zontar on Mar 20, 2021 4:15:23 GMT
Never tried one? Ok I have played several Liked them all Well once again variety in gear is a good thing No, never really wanted to try one. It isn't really the vibe i am going for. Maybe I should try one sometime... Sure I likely will never buy one, but I like playing them My Iceman fills the spot an SG would |
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Post by johnreardon on Mar 20, 2021 10:19:07 GMT
I've owned 2 SGs and for me the significant worst thing is neck dive.
The 73 one I stupidly sold as it sounded great.
I also had one of those Robby Krieger Custom shop ones I took in part exchange for a Strat I had. This was one of the original 50 made and I think serial no was around 30. The vibrola thing mad neck dive better, but it also seemed to make the sound tinny. I sold it in the end
I have never heard one that sounded tinny& I wouldn’t expect a Robby Krieger one to spend that way But good to know I should have clarified, it was more the un-amplified sound. The vibrola thing rattled and also you could hear some resonance from the big chunk of tin. It still sounded a bit tinny the few times I played it, certainly not like the 73 one I had |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 14:05:02 GMT
I keep purchasing SG's, but the I end up selling them because I can't get into them.
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Post by zontar on Mar 20, 2021 19:27:16 GMT
I have never heard one that sounded tinny& I wouldn’t expect a Robby Krieger one to spend that way But good to know I should have clarified, it was more the un-amplified sound. The vibrola thing rattled and also you could hear some resonance from the big chunk of tin. It still sounded a bit tinny the few times I played it, certainly not like the 73 one I had Makes sense. I've never actually played an SG with a vibrola. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 22:38:45 GMT
I've found over the years, my interest in owning an SG is growing. I made the mistake of buying a pair of Epiphone SG's on eBay which were garbage. If I ever think about an SG again, it'll definitely be a Gibson. I'm a bit concerned about the fairly common complaint of neck dive, but I owned a 63 Gibson EB3, and even with the longer 30" bass neck, it was completely stable to play standing up.  |
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Post by zontar on Apr 12, 2021 0:34:23 GMT
I've found over the years, my interest in owning an SG is growing. I made the mistake of buying a pair of Epiphone SG's on eBay which were garbage. If I ever think about an SG again, it'll definitely be a Gibson. I'm a bit concerned about the fairly common complaint of neck dive, but I owned a 63 Gibson EB3, and even with the longer 30" bass neck, it was completely stable to play standing up. My EB-3 copy is the same--longer neck,light body--but no issues with neck dive. Please tell us about the mods on this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 4:40:00 GMT
I've found over the years, my interest in owning an SG is growing. I made the mistake of buying a pair of Epiphone SG's on eBay which were garbage. If I ever think about an SG again, it'll definitely be a Gibson. I'm a bit concerned about the fairly common complaint of neck dive, but I owned a 63 Gibson EB3, and even with the longer 30" bass neck, it was completely stable to play standing up. My EB-3 copy is the same--longer neck,light body--but no issues with neck dive. Please tell us about the mods on this one. When I bought the EB3 from the original owner in the late 70's, he had already removed the neck mudbucker and replaced it with a vintage Precision pickup, fashioned a replacement pickguard and replaced the rotary Varitone control with a three-way pickup toggle switch. I played it in that form for a couple of years, but eventually became more and more dissatisfied with the intonation problems from the fixed non-adjustable bridge. This was in the pre-internet days when finding parts was challenging, so I piled into the car, drove to Victoria and shopped for an adjustable bridge. The only one I found was an original Leo Quan Badass bridge, unfortunately gold finished. I bought it and also bought a second vintage Precision pickup that the dealer had under glass. I spent most of a day changing the pickup and the bridge. It solved all the intonation problems and sounded a whole lot better with the Fender pickup at the bridge. I sold the bass in the late eighties, and then bought it back in 2015. I ended up selling it about three years ago. |
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Post by zontar on Apr 12, 2021 6:26:38 GMT
My EB-3 copy is the same--longer neck,light body--but no issues with neck dive. Please tell us about the mods on this one. When I bought the EB3 from the original owner in the late 70's, he had already removed the neck mudbucker and replaced it with a vintage Precision pickup, fashioned a replacement pickguard and replaced the rotary Varitone control with a three-way pickup toggle switch. I played it in that form for a couple of years, but eventually became more and more dissatisfied with the intonation problems from the fixed non-adjustable bridge. This was in the pre-internet days when finding parts was challenging, so I piled into the car, drove to Victoria and shopped for an adjustable bridge. The only one I found was an original Leo Quan Badass bridge, unfortunately gold finished. I bought it and also bought a second vintage Precision pickup that the dealer had under glass. I spent most of a day changing the pickup and the bridge. It solved all the intonation problems and sounded a whole lot better with the Fender pickup at the bridge. I sold the bass in the late eighties, and then bought it back in 2015. I ended up selling it about three years ago. The bridge on my EB3 copy is even less adjustable than some EB3s were--but I aways seemed to make it work. However I do prefer a more adjustable bridge--and my fretless has one. |
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Post by zontar on Apr 25, 2021 0:05:55 GMT
Here's someone else's thoughts on 5 things he hates about SGs--one of which appears above.
Most for them aren't an issue for me.
They are for him.
Thoughts?
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Post by bzrkrage on Jul 5, 2021 15:50:31 GMT
I just can’t do a guitar that it’s main spokesperson is dressed as a private school boy......  |
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Post by laristotle on Jul 5, 2021 18:01:08 GMT
I just can’t do a guitar that it’s main spokesperson is dressed as a private school boy...... You're choosing the wrong spokesman.
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Post by laristotle on Jul 5, 2021 18:06:49 GMT
I custom ordered my '85 Standard with a second coat of 'none more black' paint and the top hardware/electronics at the time. Tim Shaw Paf's. No neck dive on this puppy.
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Post by allthumbs56 on Jul 7, 2021 19:40:10 GMT
I've got a 2008 Std in your basic cherry finish. My list is short - I don't like where the top strap button is - the guitar wants to lay down and away from me. I find the controls a bit harder to reach on the fly. I love the upper fret access but not enough to make me pick my SG over my LP unless my back needs a break. That's it.
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Post by zontar on Jul 8, 2021 6:23:47 GMT
I just can’t do a guitar that it’s main spokesperson is dressed as a private school boy...... Now what would Lola say? |
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Post by zontar on Jul 8, 2021 6:25:16 GMT
I just can’t do a guitar that it’s main spokesperson is dressed as a private school boy...... You're choosing the wrong spokesman.
When I think of SGs I tend to think more of Tony Iommi or Eric Bloom. but who actually uses a guitar doesn't entice me to use one or cause me to not use one. If so I might not have my Iceman. |
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Post by johnreardon on Jul 8, 2021 10:20:35 GMT
You're choosing the wrong spokesman.
When I think of SGs I tend to think more of Tony Iommi or Eric Bloom. but who actually uses a guitar doesn't entice me to use one or cause me to not use one.If so I might not have my Iceman. Same with me. I suppose the only player I saw where I wanted the same guitar was Hank Marvin, when he played a Strat |
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Post by laristotle on Jul 8, 2021 10:35:33 GMT
Looking at Cooper's 'Love it to Death' album cover while listening to it as a kid. Glen Buxton and Michael Bruce also helped influence my taste for a SG. :format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/A-48433-1141402151.jpeg.jpg) |
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Post by bzrkrage on Jul 8, 2021 15:11:26 GMT
Looking at Cooper's 'Love it to Death' album cover while listening to it as a kid. Glen Buxton and Michael Bruce also helped influence my taste for a SG. That’s a lot of “Bigsby, buckers and horns” in that photo. Thanks for the share. |
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Post by highdeaf on Jul 13, 2021 16:17:33 GMT
I bought one of those Bestbuy SGs from a few years ago. The $400CDN prototype of a guitar never really built (a 50s SG).
As others have mentioned, it has the usual flaws like a bit of neck dive and that stupid strap button that lets the guitar submarine away from me. And I've started a few songs in the wrong key because of that loooooooong neck (not really the guitar's fault though, I'd go more I/O problems).
The SG I have is very basic (no p/g, very thin finish) but it has P90s and is my only guitar thus equipped. It's USA made and has a nice 59-ish neck. So it has its purpose. It'll never be a #1 for me.
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Post by zontar on Jul 16, 2021 2:02:06 GMT
Looking at Cooper's 'Love it to Death' album cover while listening to it as a kid. Glen Buxton and Michael Bruce also helped influence my taste for a SG. And Dennis Dunaway has an SG shaped EB bass here as well. |
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Post by Colchar on Jul 17, 2021 16:10:53 GMT
I just can’t do a guitar that it’s main spokesperson is dressed as a private school boy...... In places like the UK and Australia uniforms are worn in all schools, not just private schools. |
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